About Gary Leff

Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community InsideFlyer.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" by Conde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty. More About Gary »

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  1. Don’t care. Carbon credits have been a known scam for a long time now. I want to hold Delta responsible for clean planes, good service, and reasonable fares.

  2. Ed is going carbon free for his hair products only, moving from petroleum-based to a dry wax. His non-revenue BFF(s) approve.

  3. Delta and DJT – both annoying blowhards and whatever they say should be closely examined.

  4. @ken – are you in the class action lawsuit for TDS? It sounds like you could win a ton of money..

  5. Greedy ambulance chaser. No way this suit should see the light of day. First basis is proving “harm” and that would be a high bar. Then you have general waivers for marketing materials. Finally I’m sure Delta’s corporate structure separates the various business entities so they can claim the “airline” (a separate legal entity) is climate neutral without worrying about all the other business entities.

    Gary – you are becoming more petty on a daily basis. Not sure if it is laziness (Reddit as a source), looking for quick clicks, cheapness on your part or spectrum related issues but I am finally dropping you as I find you basically worthless at this point and get much more meaningful info (include most of what you report) from other sources. Hell even TPG is better than you now which is sad!

  6. Delta was stupid to claim they were “carbon neutral.” Obviously, an airline that spends billions on jet fuel can’t be. But social contagions often lead to short-term poor judgment, and that seems to be what happened here. I think an apology could be in order, but monetary damages would be stupid. I’d love to see somebody prove that they flew Delta more because they believed its carbon offset bs.

  7. Any lawsuit payout is only going to be counterproductive to getting closer to the end goal of being pro-environment. These lawsuits seem like a waste of money except for the plaintiffs lawyers who will cash in.

  8. @Thing 1 — All the above sounds better. Care about corporations not lying, and also clean planes, good service, and reasonable fares.

    @Michael Mainello, @Retired Gambler — You two need to cry a little harder. Whining ‘TDS’ isn’t enough. Add a few ‘woke’ and ‘DEI’ for emphasis. Then finish it off with shouting that all your perceived enemies are “Communists!” (It’s foolproof. You got this, fellas!)

  9. @1990 – Ever the comodian. Delta shouldn’t lie about being carbon neutral, we need carbon for plants to flourish and convert CO2 to oxygen. As far as suing them, whatever the court says, but the lawsuit is self is stupid.

    Now I think all the Globull Warming stuff, those guys should be sued. CO2 is only .04% of our atmosphere and has been worse than it is now. Too bad all politicians can’t be sued for lying – both parties.

  10. @Michael Mainello — Finally, someone ‘gets’ my schtick!

    Real-talk, though: I’m all for clean air, clean water, and clean food, along with the massive economic and job opportunities that come with renewables, solar, batteries, and nuclear power. It’s foolish that we’re abdicating leadership (and critical rare-earth supply chains) to China on those fronts.

    That said, aviation fuel replacement is a different beast. Scientifically, technologically, and economically, jet fuel alternatives just aren’t there at-scale right now. Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) is mostly a marketing buzzword at this stage rather than a viable operational substitute.

    Airlines need to stop making claims they can’t back up. KLM already learned that lesson the hard way in Dutch court over their “Fly Responsibly” greenwashing campaign, and Delta shouldn’t be surprised that claiming to be “carbon neutral” while operating an oil refinery caught up to them. If the tech and infrastructure aren’t there yet, just own it and focus on flying clean, on-time planes.

    (Yeah, and please do appreciate that the above is coming from me of all people… mhm.)

  11. @1990 “…massive economic and job opportunities that come with renewables, solar, batteries, and nuclear power.” This essentially “if we build it, they (economic benefits) will come”. The economics of the introduction of improved “inputs” requires that the new input be cheaper (including financing of research and start-up costs) or “better” (more energy dense, safer to handle, cleaner, more efficient, more consumer desirable). I think solar, wind, tidal, SAF, hydrogen, etc are going to take so long to get to the break-even point vs petroleum/NG that they’ll be made obsolete by conventional nuclear and fusion first. They may fill small niches here and there, but overall we need to be more targeted in where we put our green investment dollars or we’ll hurt our economy, including jobs, and end up poorer. More green dollars isn’t necessarily more productive.

  12. @1990

    “massive economic and job opportunities that come with renewables, solar, batteries, and nuclear power.” I agree, but no government subsidies. We have plenty of wind farms and solar here and more if they can build it. I never understood why solar and wind weren’t co-located. They are not out here anyway. I like nuclear – clean and new designs appear relatively safe. I was stationed in West Germany when Chernoble (sp?) happened.

    “It’s foolish that we’re abdicating leadership (and critical rare-earth supply chains) to China on those fronts.” I agree and the current administration is working on it, but it does take time.

  13. @Mark F — No argument on energy density. That’s why SAF and electric planes aren’t taking over anytime soon. But waiting around for fusion while China subsidizes and captures the entire battery, solar, and rare-earth supply chain would be surrender. Nuclear belongs front and center, but we can’t afford to sit out the intermediate ‘tech war’ while waiting for the ‘perfect’ solution.

    @Michael Mainello — Glad we agree on nuclear. As for subsidies, every major energy transition in history (including oil, gas, and nuclear) relied on early public capital to de-risk development. The goal shouldn’t be zero government involvement, but using smart investments to lock down domestic manufacturing and supply chain security instead of handing the whole market to China.

  14. @1990 – Hopefully the current crew can do a better job than previous ones.

  15. Carbon credits, lmao, anyone who ever believed paying someone to do what they were going to do anyway is saving the planet is a retard. For that matter, any leftist who spouted the climate change agenda, yet still continues to fly, is a retard. So, it’s not a planetary emergency? Or are you just a disingenuous crony capitalist? Or just a useful idiot?

  16. On so many fronts, the whole “greenwashing” movement has turned into a sham. In my industry, we pursue LEED certifications for high-rises, multifamily projects, and other developments. Many of the credits can be obtained through purchased offsets, carbon credits, or other measures that often have little to do with the actual performance of the building.

    When I hear an airline claim to be “carbon neutral,” I almost spit out my breakfast laughing. The reality is that many of these certifications and environmental designations rely on highly subjective standards and accounting methodologies. LEED Silver, Gold, Platinum, and similar rankings may sound impressive, but the organizations creating and administering these programs are funded by the very industry seeking the certifications.

    A whole cottage industry has emerged around securing these credentials, and in many cases it’s more about navigating the system and writing checks than delivering meaningful environmental benefits. That doesn’t mean every sustainability initiative is worthless, but there is a tremendous amount of marketing hype wrapped around programs that often deserve much closer scrutiny.

  17. I’m more bothered by the prospect of them being held accountable than I am by what they have done.

  18. Makes me wonder if Frontier’s “America’s Greenest Airline” status/promotions are true just because they have the most green paint on their planes? (Yes, I know they have new(er) aircraft and lighter seats thereby using less fuel.)

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