American Airlines flight attendants haven’t had a raise since 2019. At the end of that year their contract became amendable, and the value of their wages has been substantially eroded since then by more than 20% inflation.
- A new contract was delayed first by the pandemic
- The process of negotiating all the myriad details is a long one. The current agreement (that flight attendants didn’t even approve) runs over 325 pages. And that doesn’t count a separate 15 page attendance policy and 18 page uniform policy among others.
- Plus, union politics (effectively needing to wait for incumbent officers to be re-elected) meant further delay.
Boston-based first and second year American Airlines flight attendants are eligible for food stamps. American Airlines even gives newly-hired flight attendants a letter attesting to their poverty.
The letter states that a new flight attendant will have a “projected annual salary [of] $27,315 per year before incentives and taxes” and concludes, “Any courtesy you can provide would be appreciated.”
The actual letter AA gives new FAs when they move to NYC, Miami, Boston, Dallas etc.
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Here’s the flight attendant pay scale from the current contract. Their last raise was in January 2019.
Here are some key things to understand about this pay.
- The lineholder minimum guarantee is 71 hours per month. A flight attendant working reserve is guaranteed 75 hours per month. Many cabin crew do work more than that.
- Those are hours from push back to arrival. Those hours do not include time at the airport, connecting between flights, or boarding planes.
Flight attendants can make more than the minimum in the American Airlines letter, but it’s tough to live on $30,000 a year at the start. In inflation-adjusted terms that’s what the $21,000 I made right out of school is worth today. Those were some of the best times of my life! Lower incomes can be fine with roommates, without unexpected major expenses, and if you’re not trying to support a family. Many flight attendants do side work, though a second job is tough since they don’t have consistent schedules month-to-month.
American Airlines introduced a profit-sharing program for its employees, including flight attendants, in 2016. This decision was part of an effort to improve employee relations and align the company more closely with industry standards, as other major carriers like Delta and United already had profit-sharing plans in place. American’s CEO had argued that flight attendants don’t contribute to profit so shouldn’t get a piece of it.
In April 2017 the airline announced unilateral wage increases for pilots and flight attendants. This decision was outside of the regular contract negotiation process and was intended to correct a pay disparity with Delta and United.
American could, on its own, do more now (or at any time in the past few years). They learned with their mechanics that this makes it harder to reach a new contract. Giving out raises without getting a contract done means there’s less to give in the contract, so employees have less reason to agree to one. Mechanics didn’t wind up striking, they wound up engaging in an illegal work action that crippled the carrier in summer 2019.
With Southwest flight attendants getting a record-breaking contract and non-union Delta then handing out unilateral wages, American’s flight attendants will get a better contract. In some sense, the longer senior flight attendants wait the better off they become (especially if, like Southwest crew, they receive make-good payments for the time it took to get to a deal). Junior flight attendants though suffer from much lower wages, having to live closer to hand to mouth, the longer they wait. The incentives of junior crew are very different than more senior flight attendants.
The very fact the AA is giving out those statements means they recognize the issue. They are also aware that they need to protect the airlines bottom line in dealing with the Unions. The union isn’t the issue, their position is to get everything possible for membership. I knew a Jetblue flight attendant who was work as a substitute teacher on her off days to make ends meet – the reality was she made more as a substitute cash wise than as a FA. It can be hard for many to understand how expensive it is to survive today – my some makes more than $40k but struggles to support his family. Giving a living wage to the FA’s really means just pennies on a ticket price.
Notable that you put pictures of female minority flight attendants in a poverty article. Says a lot about you as a person.
You take these jobs knowing what the salary and work hours entail. Millions of people get lower pay than FAs. After 14 years you’re making $68 an hour now and probably $80 after the new contract.
Here’s an idea, decertify the union and get a better deal like Delta.
@Bob, so you criticize Gary for being inclusive? I’m sure you’d also ding him for only using white flight attendants. Nice. You’re last name Consistency?
Well played @roundtree. Well played.
Inclusive marketing in a positive way — but also the double edged sword of reinforcing stereotypes.
I guess I was thinking the article referenced Boston-based FAs — and we all know, Boston ain’t the most diverse city in the world 😉
The quote about Doug Parker saying that FAs don’t contribute to the bottom line is sooo AA these days (even with him gone). They don’t give a s*** about inflight service and think that it doesn’t make a difference to customers, so long as the “schedule” is good. Im based out of NY and LA and can expense domestic F for work… have been Plat/Plat Pro for 10+ years with AA and did a status match to DL last year. Guess who I’m choosing more often now due to better service?
Then don’t take the job. What the hell is wrong with these people?
McDonald’s pays like shit too. Don’t take that job either.
Following Walmart I see, “The High Cost of Low Wages”, tax payers picking up the slack for greedy corporations.
For an elevated, inclusive, and thoughtful experience in the sky, choose Delta.
Sorry, “The High Cost of Low Price”.
@Matt
Yeah. Thanks. I’ll pass based on my experience. Never seen so much unprofessional ridiculous flirting by FAs as I have with delta in FAs
@CHRIS (and everybody else reading): The problem is, though a base starting salary is posted and is readily available to anybody who cares to search for it, new flight attendants (FAs) hear about that pay being “only base” with the option of earning much more. AA (and I would guess other carriers) emphasizes the opportunity to earn more; including the fact that per diem is paid; they can pick up trips, that there are other incentives for additional income (the much hated credit cards, for example), which all make it seem to new FAs that they will only ‘start’ at that base pay. But be able to earn more. They also learn quickly that they will automatically get a pay raise every year on the anniversary of their hiring, which immediately follows completion of training and graduation. Once they are in the job they then realize that additional income might not be as easily earned as they felt was implied. Add to that a drastically different job than what they envisioned (there are a myriad of reasons for that, like it being more difficult to pick up extra trips than they thought, reserve ((being on call)), very difficult trips ((multiple boardings and flights in a single day)), increasingly difficult passengers, negativity from AA themselves ((a punitive attendance policy, upper management attitude that is, shall I say, crappy, and more)) and other negatives associated with the job that nobody AND I MEAN NOBODY can fully understand unless you’ve flown as a FA before). With all those things in mind, the job is far different than what is expected and the starting low wages quickly become more of a limitation than they were lead to believe. So no, they actually do not know what the actual income is before they start flying.
Look, it doesn’t matter whether it’s well known or not that AA FAs are paid sh*t. The question is should they be paid a livable wage, and the answer from any non-contemptible person is yes. FAs are a pillar of safety and that’s a domain we shouldn’t accept cheapness.
Fair pay for an FA in NYC would be $60,000 at a minimum. That would only qualify them for the sh*ttiest apartments in eastern Queens and they’ll still need roommates. The good news is LGA and JFK are both in Queens, technically.
Realistically:
– No man should sign up to be an FA on AA or any airline. This isn’t a career. Men should be in manly careers. I make no apologizes for my regressive views on gender roles.
– Women signing up to be an FA should either have, or have the capability to have, a well-compensated spouse. At least director level at an ad agency (~$200-300k) in NYC.
Shame on the FA union for letting down its members for years and years. The very fact that an agreement had to wait for their internal election is proof they are negligent. They (the union) also regularly advises it’s membership to “act out” against customers and “not to do a single thing above the minimum”. No wonder the flying public is not on the FA’s side in this.
Why the *u*k would anyone that absolutely didn’t have to, fly these guys? You’re supporting this. Yeah, I know. Some will say It’s all of them, and cherry pick, but no. It’s not. These guys have a history of this behavior.
The APFA are the only ones denying AA flight attendants more money. They got it in their head that they should be paid like pilots.
Picking up flights would help but the senior are scarfing up trips to maintain high lifestyles. Real lack of unionism. The junior FAs really do suffer. If they envisioned a different job than what the reality is, it’s cause they watch too many movies. “Paris, international, first class”. Give me a break. APFA is the bad guy here. AA has told them they’ll match the highest pay i.e. Delta. But APFA won’t take the win and move on.
This looks like a standard income verification form letter you’d need to rent an apartment or for child support or any number of purposes.
The unions contracts are designed to benefit those in power and who have been they’re the longest… Not new employees. New employees have no say in the contacts, have no power…or are Hired after the contacts were put in place. Poop rolls
Wages aren’t all at the sole discretion of American Airlines. At least American Airlines acknowledges the situation and gives out a letter. Where is the one from the union?
Honestly, you can make more than 27k as a first year FA. Just work more hours.
-FA that made 65k with first year pay.
It’s not hard, people are just lazy.
Translation: senior AA FA’s over 13 years on the job have not had a pay raise since 2019. They’re the ones screwing over the junior FA’s for a myriad of reasons. One primary reason is the “I had it bad back in the old days and now you should too” mantra many subscribe to.
As others have mentioned, they’re doing the bare minimum at best and acting like petulant children on and off the job. Makes it really hard to root for them.
Walk a mile in my shoes
AA is giving out those statements to show that the union is making it so that younger employees are getting the shaft from the contact that the Union dictates. It is not AA that forces the Senior FA get paid when the doors close rather than hours worked.
First and Second years are put on the short flights since they will be paid less. The Union is MAKING It difficult for them to earn a decent living. Thus it is the UNION”s FAULT not AA . The union is FORCING AA TO under pay.
The Union can change the contact so that all FA get paid once they board the plane until they exit the plane. They can get paid for time waiting between flights. etc.
I just will never understand the whole thing about only paying them once the doors close and they push back. The pay would be fine if they counted time in the airport.
@tomri You’re 100 percent correct. While AA management is not blameless the union is a big reason for this current situation.
Maybe the yearly rates have been locked in since 2019, but each years step rate goes up around 8 pct. You don’t stay in a rate more than a year. SO raises are built in, not indexed for inflation since then, but in 12-13 years wages almost triple. Many people in other jobs get nowhere near that percentage. Maybe hours are low, but money seems good per hour and with more hours someone can make great money and get great benefits. If they get health insurance, vacation and other things-this scale seems like a phenomenal one to me. Look at many other jobs and I’d bet none have regular increases like this step per year yields. Stop complaining.
The average flight attendant makes $68,370, which is a lot for a job that doesn’t require college.
The issue is pay-for-seniority, which ensures that the early hires are.paid at poverty levels, while the old ones make a fortune working a few days a month.
You don’t believe me? Check out https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/flight-attendants.htm
Yet another example of a “successful” US company literally relying on government assistance to pay their employees, rather than actually implementing a sustainable system that doesn’t require taxpayers to pay for their shortcomings. How about this: if you “can’t” pay FAs a reasonable wage, trim the CEO’s (as well as other highly-paid upper management’s) salaries so that FAs can be reasonably paid without having to rely on poverty-level benefits. Cut the CEO’s current 4.89 million dollar salary to a “shocking” 3 million a year, and redistribute it in order to pay the employees a living wage. Wild and crazy, I know.
Are these people indentured servants? No? So they have the freedom to seek employment elsewhere? Ok. So how do you twist reality to believe that this is a problem?
I work as a pilot for a charter company flying out of southern California. Our cabin attendants make a minimum of $65k a year and it would be my opinion that the working conditions are a lot better than at the airlines as described in this article. Maybe some of these airline FA’s could look around a bit for other options that get them flying but treat them a little better? Travel to Paris on a Gulfstream with a half dozen folks in the back isn’t a bad way to go!
As an asian FA for a major Asian airline is this amount just the base salary or does it include the allowances?Its ridiculous that theyre not paid the moment they report for flight.
I started in 1984 and my base pay was just $300.But with all the allowances added in as a starting FA i was able to make $5000 a month.That was alot of money back then.When i retired my base salary was $2000 and the allowances dropped significantly due to the shorter flight patterns but i was still able to draw in a monthly salary of about $6000.And i live in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
Isn’t this ironic, the month of May is Mental Health Month…..this is putting a toll on a lot of flight attendants at American Airline, trying to make ends meet, some paying school loans off, trying to put a descent meal on the table, having rent or mortgage payments, etc. the mentality of the CEO and shareholders is unfathomable. While Robert Isom gives himself $31 million, how does this greedy individual sleep at night, knowing there are New Hires getting food stamps? It all boils down to Isom not having any empathy, sympathy, and most of all he couldn’t care less about Flight Attendants. So, back to my point of Mental Health……the stress of getting a descent contract for American Airlines Flight Attendants is crucial, otherwise it’s their healthy that gets jeopardized.
Come on ! New hire starts at $30 hr ok ?! $30 just pouring the coke that’s a lot. You are more than welcome to pick up trips on your days off.
2 schools of thought. Why would anyone take a job that works you to the bone, yet qualifies for food stamps? Secondly, does any board member or executive hang their head in shame?
As a fleet service clerk ( ground crew ) welcome to our world same thing is happening to us, tell your boyfriends the pilots to share the wealth.
A bunch of these comments look like they are from people who have zero clue how the airline industry works. “Don’t take the job”
“they’ll be making $68 an hour in 13 years”
Well morons, do you need a bachelors degree for this job? No. Find another entry level job? Must have 4 years experience XYZ and a masters degree.
$68 a year that’s a lot! Well no, it’s after 13 years, and unfortunately they don’t get paid from when they are on the clock, sure would be nice to get paid that much from sign in to end of the day, but no. I tell people all the time to divide the numbers in half to get a 40 hour a week ‘normal’ person pay rate. Most can only fly between 75-90 hours a MONTH. So yes we may work 12 hour days, but only get paid for 6.
The fact that they’ll make a lot in a decade shows why people want these jobs. What does that do until they get that pay. What people should be more upset is by American providing the letters, American is perfectly happy to let the government subsidize their low starting pay. That is where the outrage should be, the tax payer is subsidizing a private business so they can pay lower wages.
This is not an AA problem. This is a Biden/Democrat problem. How I miss those affordable, peaceful, safe, and prosperous Trump years.
Start upping the service then we can talk about me supporting more money for them. Until then…..SCREW!
$68 an hour at top pay. Never an increase of 8% a year after that. That’s if you are there 13 years or 45 years. Also. It’s not really $68 an hour. Checkin for trip 1 to 1.5 hours prior for trip so on the clock- $0 pay. Board the aircraft and passengers- $0 pay. Plane starts to move, called block out at start of flight, block in at end of flight. Have a weather ir mechanical delay fully boarded, not moving? $0-pay. Block out-$68 hour starts, flight is 2 hours including taxi, take off, inflight, land, taxi to gate $136 pre-tax,deductions,etc. Sit on ground 3 hours before next flight? In our station, $0-pay. Next flight 3 hours. Repeat above steps. $340 for total day. You get on the clock at 0700. Your release time is 2000. 13 hours “on duty” for your day. Pay $340 for day, divided by 13 = $26.15 pre-tax per actual hour you are on duty. Before taxes and deductions. That’s the highest pay at 13 or 45 years. So “KING”, your comment is ignorant. When I started my base pay was $700 a month for 72 hour guarantee.
Supply and demand. If people stopped voluntarily taking these jobs, the wages would go up in order to fill them. So many people want to be flight attendants that they’re willing to work for nothing in order to be able to do it.
FYI….don’t forget every senior flight attendant lived at poverty wages early in their careers too. In other words they paid their dues. I started flying in 1990 making 11K year one (and was based in NYC)!
FYI….don’t forget every senior flight attendants lived at poverty wages early in their careers too. In other words they paid their dues. I started flying in 1990 making 11K year one (and was based in NYC)!
@Bob – This is a standard stock image, the FACT that you INCORRECTLY perceive racism in something so simple says A LOT more about YOU as a person than the AUTHOR!
The AFA is a very “pro administration”. The current administration is the direct cause of the runaway spending and the current runaway inflation. One can’t argue that fact nor blame it on previous administrations. Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago? This is the “here and now” fact. Now, the union members are having to pay for their union’s continuing to feather their own nest with the outrageous dues paid…PAID for by these flight attendants. When will the flight attendants figure this out? There’s the old adage that you can fix ignorance but you can’t fix stupid.”
Pro tip: Don’t use the American Airlines flight attendant poverty letter when you apply for financing a home in Boston. In April 2024, the median listing home price in Boston, Massachusetts, was $960,000, trending up 3.3% year-over-year. The median listing home price per square foot was $908. The median home sold price was $750,000.
why did the union agree to such low pay for 1st and 2nd year members? is the same leadership still running the union? do starting FA’s only work the minimum hours?
So American Airlines is asking American taxpayers to cover food costs (via food stamps) for their employees? I say no. Take away executive bonuses and lower salaries to pay your people for chrissake.
AA provides FAs a publicly available wage scale and sticks with it. It’s the ultimate pay transparency. How many other jobs pay everyone the same rate for a given role and can tell them how much they will make a decade from now? In so many other companies, two employees may do the exact same job, yet one makes 25% more due to stronger negotiation skills or different “business conditions” at the time of hire.
In the employment marketplace, AA’s approach is the equivalent of an award chart while most other jobs serve up dynamic pricing.
Response to Marci Stalhman.
It was not like this before USair merged with AA and their management are the ones who have the reign now. American Airlines was a first class airline before the take over.
Sure is amazing that you were able to find out about the Flight attendant contract up for re negotiations. But not about the airport agents contract re negotiations that were finalized at the end of January. And the company is already not working in good faith with the new contract.
Not surprised.I am a retired Flight Attendant and my pension is not much but still better than nothing at all like today.We worked a lot harder though ,LOL, serving a meal in 90 minutes to 300 people ♀️♀️♀️♀️♀️
Most of the comments are laughable. Everyone makes a statement they think is fact and they are all different. I’ve been flying 34 years. Tired of the whiny new hires. They DO have it better but it’s a generation of entitlement. They are used to tik tok and becoming an overnight sensation for “likes”. Most pay at other jobs are based on some type of longevity. The new person is not going to make the same as a long time person. 34 years ago NY FAs were living 10 in an apartment. It’s not new. The reserve system today is fat better than long ago. New hires can work more just ask the junior cartel FAs in NY flying Premium International trips. There are plenty of ways to pick up but they want the BEST trips.
Pilot##### You are an arse. No FAs thinks we should make the SAME. What we do expect and deserve is the same benefits in financial accordance. We do deserve a great raise AND retro pay, just like you.
As far as pay as a new hire, what I tell new hires, the good ones, if you can stick it out it does get better and it’s worth it in the long run. You can definitely have a side hustle. We have realtors, business owners, ect. The younger people are so savy with online. I know a new hire with a TESLA. Definitely lots of down time to be online.
When you see those BIG numbers for pay, at the minimum cut it in half. It amazes me how other greedy people can somehow KNOW what a FA should make. All of you are going for highest salary like every one else. Corporate is definitely overpaid in many ways. It’s like kids sports, get rewarded for participation and even failure. Yes, that makes total sense. AA wants to save pennies so they can put it in their pocket. Isom and the pilots used Delta, United AND SOUTHWEST as comparables for their compensation. When SW FAs got their $90, within hours Isom made an announcement that the FAs aren’t comparable bc its “different operation” HYPOCRITE. If it’s not the same type of operation how can it work for some work groups but not others??? Isom keeps saying he is going to give the FAs an “industry leading contract” Well??? There are 3 other airlines to compare with, it’s not that difficult. Isom is just a liar and disingenuous. There is a term for a person that can reward himself with millions while the people under them are suffering and scraping by. SADIST. Toxic, mental abuse.
No raise in 5 years. NO ONE can justify that. Us senior FAs that people think have it so well. I’m flying 40-50% more HOURS every month to pay the same bills. It’s exhausting. I don’t want or need any ones sympathy or your asinine remarks. Just what is right.
airlines= very shitty business. I worked for united what a f……. Joke. Jgoff airline that never had space for non revs and would upgrade a passenger to 1st class before giving it to an employee. If anyone can reach a human being at frontier airlines please let me know. I was trying for info on their summer pass . But never talked to human. Frontier worse than united happy chapter 11 fat ass white stockholder jag offs.
It’s bad that they haven’t had a raise in 5 years but new service members in all branches are eligible for food stamps as well as many services members that have been in for a while but now have families. People fighting for our freedom are struggling as well and they’re not allowed to strike. Plus, they put in many more hours per day, week, and month and are always on call.
Did this article indicate that living in poverty is fine as long as you have roommates and no unexpected expenses????????????? Really?!!???
Ceteris paribus more money is better than less money
The per capital GDP (not PPP) of Spain is ~ 30k.
Not easy, and certainly rough with a family to support, but young and single and in good health it’s fine actually
All Americans are paying more for the same thing product service now Do not blame the corporation? blame the Biden administration!! His piss, poor spoiled brat spending policies Hef has causes everybody to spend more to Get the same things! Did you have this problem four years ago five years ago six years ago… We had a Jerk as a president but God Almighty American came first You people Keep drinking the elixir that the Democratic party is giving you …. It did panic party did raise the amount of people that can get to come in this country undocumented 2,500,000+ more coming across the bridge and the last few years . They have no job they have no skills they’re gonna have children pay for those 5% percent 100% American people!
I lived in poverty the first years after moving solo to California (no friend or relatives there) and that was in a rented room with the bathroom down the hall that people from three other rooms also used. I didn’t consider it a problem. After a while I knew that a dead end job was not for me. I used the opportunity of being laid off from that job ($400 a month in unemployment benefits) to get my second job and then later my career job. A major benefit from living in poverty is that you learn to live at a low cost. That includes the entertainment budget. That knowledge can help you plan for retirement. The flight attendants living in high cost cities have a road map laid out for them to make reasonable money if they stick with it.
How things haven’t changed since my wife was an FA for PanAm. Still only getting paid after push back. If your boss requires you to be somewhere, despite what you’re doing, then he’s stealing your time if you’re not getting paid. Watch the two hour documentary American Experience (PBS), “Fly with me”. Not to be confused with the BBC film of nearly the same name. FAs have been fighting for fair treatment from the very beginning of passenger flight.
You know who isn’t getting poverty letters or living hand to mouth? The Union Bosses. They are living high on the hog on the money they take from everyone foolish enough to join the Union!
Ahh yes. ” Capitalism” wink wink!
Cause we can’t call it free market socialism because everyone is CONVINCED that socialism is communism. Thats why education in America sucks. Because the gov does bot want an educated population.
THIS IS CRONY CAPITALISM Where the taxpayer funds BOTH food for the working AND pay for the Corporation.
We.could just have laws that REQUIRE people be in Unions and that the option of going non union does not exist and a LAW that a company ca ot pay wages that require the STATE to supplement their low pay.
Smh
Wake up Americans
Only true free market socialism can save our country and it’s the only form of fair government where you still get to own property and excel but your leveled on the playing field with capital The worker is level with the people that control the money it’s time to start voting for your own best interest stop voting for cults of personality that means never vote for a Republican or Democrat again
The pay is poor, the work conditions are poor – yet people line up to get the job. Why should they pay better it’s Supply & Demand. If there were no recruits then they would be forced to pay better.
Time to tell American Airlines to stfu. They get a new yacht each year, you’re asked to apply for welfare. Losers working for bigger losers. If you let this happen or you choose this job, faults on you.
Ok but the real question is why can’t the starting salary at least be enough to live on, not extravagance, just enough for the basics, food, water, shelter?
Also, there’s this: Nearly One in Ten Alaska Airlines Flight Attendants Have Experienced Homelessness in the Past Year and Over a Third Have Been Forced to Use a Food Bank
John O’Neill – GFYS you union loving scum.