Ida Gomez Llanos worked as a flight attendant at Delta and predecessor carriers for 57 years. She had the fifth most seniority out of all of their cabin crew. She was fired back in April, and she’s suing.
She says that her seniority meant she was earning $250,000 a year as a flight attendant and that Delta just wanted to replace her with someone cheaper and younger and she says “her bosses dismissed her for taking a carton of milk off a plane after her line manager gave her permission.”
Ms. Llanos reports that she was accused “of sleeping, of taking chocolates, not doing a good job” but says none of that is true, and she has letters of thanks from customers that suggest she provided exemplary service. She also says she was accused “of not being able to arm or disarm the doors” but she demonstrated consistently in training that she could.
She says she was a great employee,
I haven’t called in sick for thirty or forty years. .Every year they had a banquet for the top 1% who had the most letters from the customers. I went to that three times. I was nominated by the chairman’s club. I’ve had Flight Attendant of the Quarter; you get a little statue.
Llanos claims other cabin crew were out to get her.
Llanos said one flight attendant claimed she put Bailey’s Irish Cream in her coffee at work and stole a chocolate bar, despite the Arkansas-born 79-year-old protesting that she doesn’t drink and avoids sugar due to diabetes in her family.
And in another alleged smear attempt, one colleague took a photo of cereal packets next to a flight attendant’s purse, claiming Llanos was trying to steal food meant for passengers.
‘They accused me of taking nine cereals. I’m 85 lbs, I don’t eat a lot. What would I do with nine cereals? And I would never do it in the first place.
‘Somebody staged this… But it wasn’t my purse, because my purse was in a closet across the way. They were trying to sabotage me’
She began working for Bonanza Airlines in 1962. Bonanza eventually became Air West, renamed Hughes Airwest, which was acquired by Republic in 1980 and merged into Northwest in 1986 – and then into Delta in 2010.
Reportedly her termination was for “improperly pa[ying] a co-worker to work her position and later fail[ing] to work at her designated position on a different flight. She was also accused of stealing aircraft items for personal use and spiking her coffee with alcohol during a flight.”
According to Delta, “When a violation of company policy is identified or inappropriate conduct is reported, Delta conducts a thorough investigation to determine the appropriate course of action – considering many factors, including the employee’s overall performance record and length of service. Decisions like these are not made lightly or without a comprehensive review by many.” They seem confident they made the correct decision here.
U.S. labor law, of course, is different than in many parts of the world. In Australia a flight attendant was awarded six months’ pay after being caught stealing alcohol, because the government ruled such a penalty was ‘harsh’.
The case is Gomez Llanos v. Delta Air Lines, Inc., No. 19STCV41321 (Calif. Superior Court, Nov. 15, 2019)
Not sure what’s more of a surprise.. a FA making $250K/year or that she’s 79 years old and still working.
A rotten way to treat a loyal employee. It’s pretty obvious that none of the accusations are remotely likely to be accurate.
$250k for a FA? I chose the wrong career
Why is a 79-year-old lady flying as a flight attendant? What is she supposed to do when terrorists try to hijack a plane or an emergency landing only gives her 60 seconds to get the doors open before passengers die? Pilots have to retire at what 62 or 65?
The reason she could make $250K per year has to do with seniority, and is an extreme outlier. It’s the same reason a handful of very senior widebody pilots at Delta made close to $1M last year. When you reach the top single digits in seniority in your bid status (what airplane you fly, captain/FO, etc), you can take advantage of all types of contract loopholes that allow you to double or triple up your pay vs. actual flight hours flown. Without going into specific contract language, which varies from airline to airline, when you are in the top few seniority numbers, you can do things like get the premium trips, get them “bought” off you from the company because they need that trip for training (you get it removed but still get paid for it) then pick up time and a half or double time last minute trips that the company needs filled (which are awarded in seniority order). This means that at the same time you could be getting paid for a trip the company bought off you, while also flying another trip at double time, meaning you are in effect getting paid triple. When you are at the very top, you can massage your schedule to where this happens for almost every trip. This only applies to very few individuals, and is not something the bulk of flight attendants/pilots can do.
I’d be interested to know how effective she is at her job at 79 and if other crew members have to pick up the slack as a result. I doubt she is boozing on the job though.
Unions have long outlived their usefulness
Some of these comments are outright funny!!
What an eyepopping is the $250K and 79.
Anyway, when you get up that high in salary and age, you really have to be careful because I believe any company will be after you to obviously replace you with the much cheaper (in salary) younger generation.
“I’m not too old for this job.”
Ok, Boomer.
I’m a retired pilot and I happen to know Ida…..I actually flew several international flights with her and I thought she did a pretty damn good job, considering her age and diminutive size. She always presented a professional image; handled passengers in a helpful and respectful manner; and even did a great job taking care of the pilots. From my perspective this seems to be a purge.
Keep in mind that the 250k is from a job that slowly built up her base pay over a 57 year period. This isn’t uncommon. What is uncommon, is that she wasn’t given some kind of buyout package ages ago. She likely has a point that Delta was looking for an excuse to get rid of her, and save some money.
79 and a 57 year career? I’m sorry but it’s time to move on. If she truly is earning anything close to $250K she should be able to retire. Some jobs just require more effort than others.
I’ve worked with people in their 70s and 80s and while some are still half decent, others should retire but companies don’t want the lawsuits so they keep them and others have to do the work.
And I’m not saying that as some 20/30 yr old, I’m in my late 50s and think I’m pretty objective on most things.
Anyone jealous of the $250k salary for 57 years of experience may be shocked to learn of compensation packages for 0 years of experience in Seattle, SF Bay Area, and NYC tech companies.
@Jerry
If you said that to your grandmother she would slap you in your fat bearded vaping scooter riding entitled millennial face.
People like her are why I have extreme hate in my heart for labor organizations and the legal community. At 79, she is 40 years past prime as a flight attendant from a safety and service perspective. Flying is difficult enough. Young, cheerful and robust cabin crews make the experience so much better. Now she is suing and threatens shareholders, threatens customers with higher prices to pay for any costs and threatens customers with poorer service because employees know it is harder to fire bad employees with the airline facing burdensome legal costs.
I think here the real problem is how clumsy and undignified it is to fire a long time employee who should realistically have retired 20 years earlier. Like who does that to an old woman? And who are the four other flight attendants who are more senior????
Delta is nonunion so they can fire anyone that they want.
We don’t know what all was included in that $250,000 a year.
Foreign language skills pays about $2 a hour extra as well as being a purser, international flights have a 1-3 day layover with extra pay
profit sharing, paid holidays, overtime, etc. They only make about $65 an hour. Bette Nash has been working at AA since 1955 so there are lots of senior flight attendants. If you have seniority it’s a really great job.
I hope she wins $5,000,000 or more.
There is no reason in this world a FA regardless of age should be earning a quarter of a million dollars a year. But I do agree, at 79 she is almost certain to be useless in a true emergency.
All you union haters…..Delta is non-union, silly clowns.
Delta flight attendants are not represented by a labor organization at this time people.
Somehow all these union haters, with “extreme hatred toward labor organizations”, don’t realize delta FA are not unionized?
LMAO, If anything, this shows delta FAs should unionize asap. Relying on “relationship” with your boss is simply dumb. In front of profit and loss, your relationship will always be 3rd class.
Once again you cite the case of a QANTAS FA and suggest , as you did in the linked story, that is was a determination of the Australian govt: WRONG…these determinations are made by the Fair Work Commission or by courts ( depending on the employment contract, salary level and other factors). They are NOT government but rather independent bodies.
@Paolo – they are government bodies. How do you think they have enforcement power?
Cheaper, younger, (prettier)? Delta is just copying the way Donald Trump switches wives. Next thing you know they’ll be hiring them all in Eastern Europe …
I used to fly in the Air Force – Air National Guard actually – with a female pilot whose civilian job was a DL flight attendant (she’s now a DL 737 captain, by the way). More than once she talked about working alongside an 80’ish flight attendant who basically used the beverage cart in lieu of a walker.
@WR2 OK, Boomer
In a free society, she would be let go and that would be the end of it. One can dream.
I remember “don’t trust anybody over 30” and changing my mind as I got older. The Millies will magically change their minds as they get to the Boomer age range.
To be clear – this is not a union thing – Delta’s flight attendants aren’t unionized
Sounds like she knew how to maximize the bid system in the way we maximize upgrades and bumps
@James N
Free society? We are a free society!!! Dumb comment!!!
For everyone saying how this is not a union thing that is not correct. Delta is non union but legacy wise it is only because of unions that anyone beyond 60 can work as flight attendants. It’s so ridiculous to think about a 79 year old woman walking back and forth through an aisle, serving drinks, and opening a door in an emergency or even dearming a door in normal operation.
The statistical fact is most Millies will never make it to 79 sorry to say. FAs are not there to perform feats of strength in an emergency. Someone with 57 years of service should know what to do in an emergency and be able to arm or disarm doors in their sleep.
I doubt that Delta fired this FA to save money since the next person in line assumes her seniority perks and pay. This dismissal may give a union a good talking point in the next organizing campaign.
Seriously?? What is everyones problem? How can you not feel sorry for a 79 year old woman who worked diligently for almost 6 decades for a company which is not giving her the benefit of the doubt a s treating her like garbage! I thought Delta was the one legacy carrier that has maintained a good reputation but guess what Delta— you blew it!! So what if she is making $250k a year? she earned it. I hope she sues them for millions.
Well, if we have Presidents who are this age and older, why not let this senior keep flying?????? Apparently she was able to do the job. Something seems fishy in this entire saga. Something is missing. Delta must have had an airtight case as they had got to know they were opening themselves to a huge lawsuit.
So many age haters in the comments. The age 79 does not mean you are incapable of doing your job. Raquel Welsh , Lainie Kazan, Linda Gray, are all 79 and not frail. Patrick Stuart, Ringo Star and Al Pachino are also 79. Right behind them at 78 years old are Martha Stewart, Dionne Warwick, Faye Dunaway also seemingly not frail and unable to lift 50lbs and all walk without assistance.
Bless her for 57 yrs of service that warranted attainment of high compensation whilst also contributing to safe arrivals of an extremely high number of passengers throughout her career. Kudos for maintaining performance standards that allowed her to continue working in her chosen career.
Good luck Hope you win. If you wasn’t doing a good job all these years they would have gotten rid of you a long time ago.
I wouldn’t want a 79 year old FA on my flight. There should be mandatory retirement age for FAs just like pilots. Time to retire lady
I think a lot if people forget that they have just one side of the story here. In reality, to keep DL union-free, the company had to adapt the same policies as unionized companies do. That way, the workers don’t feel cheated out of something. In reality, an FA cannot be terminated for a single offense unless it is theft or gross negligence. In reality, she was written up, recently, a number of times, for the same offense. She was, naturally, mad about being fired after all these years and a lawyer decided to take advantage if the situation.
Of course they’re blowing her out because of compensation/age.
Further, I think its safe to assume her performance has been exemplary, because she’s been on their radar for a long time I guarantee.
Companies, like say Disney for example, are notorious for cleaning house before people hit 50 or 55 and a certain number of years of employment, to take future liability off the books, regardless of performance. Trust me, I know.
I just can not believe that some of you can make such ignorant comments: she would be useless during emergency, there should be no reason FA should make 250K a year. Let me tell you, you have no slight idea what this hob is all about and how hard people have to work to get to this level as this lady. As FAs we are safety professionals and we rusk our life and health to fly you wherever you want to get. There are million reasons why FAs should be paid this high, including the years you have put on to serve the company. We go throe recurrent training every year to prove that we can perform evacuations and emergency procedures. She passed all of them and they are hard to pass. For someone to say she would be useless because of her age is just simply ignorant. You all have misconceptions about this job, you think we just serve meals, tea and coffee. Wait till you get passengers with heart attack or stroke on 38000 feet and there is no doctor onboard. Wait till your plane skids of the runway and you need to evacuate 300 people in 90 seconds. And if you are jealous of her income – start working for an airline and see how hard it is to live on permanent reserve with no life and ability to make any plans for the first 5-10 years, how hard it is to survive on starvation paycheck for the first 3 years. This is all for you to fly on Christmas or Thanksgiving to see your family, we work for you to get you save to your loved ones, when we can hardly see ours for years and you dare to to say we do not deserve the income after 40 years on the hob and sacrifices we make every holiday, every day of our career? Shame on you, all of you who say she would be useless or does not deserve the money.
A general practitioner MD makes in the $200,000 range with lots of school debt. Time for pilots and F.A. to not earn an extravagant salary.
@Tomek If you are “risking your life” as you say it does not bode well for the rest of us. How exactly are you risking your life as a F/A any more than all of us sitting our butts on planes for 200 days a year. Are you implying it’s unsafe to fly?
A vast majority of us are highly educated, providing tremendous returns for a company and I can point to hundreds of colleagues in that mold that would be ecstatic to make that kind of money. You are doing what? It’s absurd. You are hardly risking your life as you say nor doing anything so amazingly valued beyond providing service and receiving basic training for emergencies. Now, our military? That is risking your life and doing service above and beyond and deserving of the best. You? Sorry, go get a waitress job at Denny’s if it’s so hard on you.
Really, so you know how to open doors and activate slides in an emergency…BFD. Please, go find another job as it seems you are so miserable. Oh wait, you can’t…forgot…you really have no other abilities other than to demand something you don’t deserve.
Delta is non-union and Georgia is a right to work state. Unless she has a contract Delta can fire her for any reason (or no reason at all). I’m sure her salary, along with almost certain decline due to her age, are reasons but they really don’t need one. She can sue for age discrimination but that is very difficult to prove since the burden is more on the employee to prove it than the company to prove it didn’t happen. Also, not sure many people will be sympathetic to a 79 year old making $250,00 a year. She needed to go off into the sunset years ago.
BTW, doesn’t sound like just Delta if other flight attendants, on numerous occasions, have accused her of inappropriate actions.
Just go away lady – BTW, I am 61 and retired.
@Stuart oh how absolutely ignorant you are Sir, no words. First not even once I mentioned I am unhappy doing what I do for 27 years, I love my job and I am highly educated as well (Masters in International Relations) and speak 4 languages fluently, so probably you have chosen the wrong profession if you are unhappy with your income. In contrary I believe you show that you feel miserable because all of the sudden you found out that there is a job, which you consider probably low end, which pays more that you ever going to make. Oh wow, I feel sorry for you but I am not surprised since you think that what we do is just serving coffee. You say what is the bog deal to open the doors and evacuate. Come to the training center and try it Sir, you are so smart and highly educated you think you probably know it all. I would be glad to see you fail miserably. You think it is basic training. We spend 3 days on service training and 4 weeks on learning the emergency procedures, evacuations, ditching, survivor skills, medical procedures, how to fight fires onboard, how to act and react in case of highjacking or attempt of breach of flight deck. Am I suggesting flying is not safe? Have you slept throe 9/11 Sir? I think you really need to get in touch with reality. In case you have not noticed it is not even safe to go to the movies those days, but difference is that you are there by yourself, on the airplanes you have highly trained and experienced professionals to save you in case tragedy happens. It is BFD but I doubt you would ever recognize or understand it because of your high level of ignorance. And by the way Sir, I do not demand anything, I simply work hard for it, something I would suggest to you before you cry that your income is lower than mine. Go and provide those amazing returns for your company and hope for the rest of your lie that they will pay you close to what I am being paid for protecting you from harm when your ignorant self flies on my flight. At the end we will see who is miserable. Me working hard all my career to earn 200 K after 27 years or you making all that money for your company and getting screwed all your life. Good luck lol
What he said!
@tomek amazing ! Couldn’t of said it better myself. Preach bro preach. These people are just mad and miserable we get paid to have the best fucking job in the world and wish they thought if this 20 years ago in their prime, because yes I know these are all boomers hating. Per the mental fucking data I’ve gathered on all of my flights. Almost everyone over 40 is bitter and miserable. Under 35 sweet as can be….. I WONDER WHY THAT IS ?? AND yes I’m also a flight attendant that used to be a professional RN. Now I fly and flip houses on the side because I CAN. Going to Cabo as we speak for 26 hours for work. Suck my BEEEEP lol.
Who gives a damn how old she is. She earned that salary through hard work and dedication. Delta didn’t seem to have a problem paying her the salary all these years and why would she jeopardize it by stealing. I believe it happened just the way this flight attendant said. It’s a damn shame that they would fire an excellent employee over something so small: I hope she wins her lawsuit.
Wow you people have some real growing up left to do in your lives. My employees and I All know Ida from all the flights we go on. She is the Sweetest and nicest lady you would ever meet. She works circles around her younger colleagues. The $500,000 my company spends a year flying Delta I will now be taking my business elsewhere because of what they’ve done to this woman. She’s a saint she was the only FA that could help calm my kids on their first overseas flight. I’m also sure that after I told my other Friends and business they will be doing the same thing and not using Delta Airlines any longer
@Jerry if anything – learn history – baby boom is post WWII c1945 at 79 she was born in 1940 possibly 1939 a Baby Boomer she is not.
Otherwise stop trying to be a trendy lil millennial prick as I tell my grandson
I smell a rat. No one in their right mind would sacrifice their seniority over petty offenses. Seniority and the ability to hold your preferred schedule, in addition to flight benefits etc… is too coveted that no one in that position would sacrifice that.
I’m not saying it is a smear campaign but if the truth ends up being a smear campaign to encourage Delta FAs to unionize, I won’t be surprise. Not sure who to believe but it seems like somebody is trying to make an example of her.
Working at 79 has nothing to do with union or non-union. A mandatory retirement age is age discrimination. It is illegal. All of you that don’t like it should write to Congress, go up against the AARP.
@Tomek. Either you have a faulty keyboard or I have a hard time imagining, given your typing skills, that you have a Masters Degree. By the way, It’s a Job..not a “Hob,” said over and over in run on sentences.
Wow, you took three weeks training in emergency procedures. Impressive! That’s quite a commitment! In that time you learned to do what? Disarm an aircraft door, press a button to activate a slide, and yell, “Evacuate”, over and over. I have training in swift water rescue and wilderness emergencies…I don’t believe that makes me qualified to make $250k a year should I still be raft guiding like my earlier days.
So, it’s interesting, nearly 20 years since 9/11 and you believe it’s necessary to say that “flying is dangerous” as a result. Please tell me which airline you work for as I think the executive team at your carrier should be made aware that its employees think that, like a fire fighter or police officer, that air travel is so dangerous they should be making three times the salary. I am sure the press would also be interested in understanding more as to your assertion that flying is so dangerous.
In 2020 the airline industry in the U.S. will suffer one fatality in the past decade. This was not due to highly trained flight attendants. This is because of better security, more advanced technology, and evolved training of pilots. More people actually die taking selfies. Thus, I find your argument laughable. Shopping mall security guards probably deal with more drama in a day than you do in a year.
When there is a medical emergency on board the first thing a fight attendant does is look for a trained professional in the medical or EMT field.
If a passenger becomes unruly or a threat to the other passengers/crew, 9 times out of 10, when serious, it’s other passengers that step in to help in restraining the person. Need I remind you that it was not the fight attendants that single handedly overwhelmed the hijackers of UA 93?
In the case of Jennifer Riordan, the passenger on Southwest that was the only fatality in the past 10 years, it was the fight attendants AND passengers (including an EMT and two doctors) who fought to hold her inside and save her life. Why? Because THEY are highly trained. And in the case of the EMT probably only making $20 an hour.
Go ahead, keep living in your dream world that you somehow fall into the category of either a high risk position or one that will save people’s lives single-handedly. Keep insulting trained professionals in actual high danger fields like the military or first responders, who make a third of what many high paid senior F/A’s do. Or, at the least, make the same as those newly hired. These, the same people you need on an aircraft when things go south…and who I would rather trust my life to than you, the person who had three weeks training in a controlled environment and who will most likely not have one minute of actual REAL experience in life saving situations.
Even if you were “highly” trained and “truly” risking your life each and every day, what makes you so much better as to deserve equal or higher pay than a police officer or fire fighter? The only thing you share in common with them is a uniform.
Seriously, go take your “Masters Degree” and get a new job. Spare me the sob story of how a flight attendant’s life is so dangerous and difficult. I certainly don’t think it’s glamorous, any more than ours whose butts are in the seats and eat cold turkey sandwiches for dinner at 7PM in the Des Moines airport. But if we decide we don’t like it we just stop and find a new career or position. We don’t try to look for empathy from others and spin Union talking points about danger and life saving skills. I don’t imagine that many people buy in to your nonsense rant at all.
@Stuart I am not going to waist more time to have conversation with shameless troll and bully like you, so this is my last post in reply to all the angry insults you have made towards me and people in my profession. Finding typos in my text and making fun of me does not make you smart, it puts you in the line of losers who wait for the opportunity to disrespect others because they can not handle their own insecurities. Your pathetic explanation based on few articles you have read in newspapers is only one-sided view of an outsider who finds joy in insulting others to feed their own sorrow because they live the life of a looser. Have you heard about Asiana and San Francisco crash, where flight attendants stayed inside burning plane cutting off passengers from their seat belts? What about US Airways 1549 landing on Hudson and badly injured flight attendant helping people get out of the sinking plane? What about Neerja Bhanot, Pan Am flight attendant who died in line of duty shielding three kids from being executed and saved countless passengers by hiding their passport from hijackers? And Qantas flight 1737 in 2009 when two flight attendants restrained hijacker trying to enter the flight deck despite being stabbed several times. Every week airlines experience many medical emergencies with no doctor present onboard. Yes we ask for a doctor first because it is perfectly logical to have one help when available ( I can not believe that you are so brainless to bring that example). But there are many flight when we have to put our skills and training fully into work. Just last week on one of the Delta flight coming from the Caribbean flight attendant performed CPR for over an hour on the passenger ultimately saving her life – no doctor onboard. Cases like that do not even make the news. Yet you are an “expert” I guess. It does not surprise me that low life individual like yourself hiding behind your smartphone or computer screen is all of the sudden so brave to insult and disrespect us because he feels we do not deserve money we earn after decades of performing the job. What really gets me is that you have a nerve to undermine my friend’s role, who lost their life in 9/11 operating hijacked flights. You are pathetic waste of human flash, how dare you? Maybe a screen protects you from exposing your identity, but the ugliness of your bully character and disrespect you show those who died on that day is beyond comprehension. Their names are engraved in 9/11 memorial, they are heroes along with many others who died that day. You should be ashamed of yourself by insinuating they played no or little role in trying to prevent this tragedy. I hope some other people jump in here to tell you how wrong, pathetic and insulting you are. I have friends who are veterans, former police officers and EMTs working with me as flight attendants because they feel this job is continuation of the purpose they found in their previous careers. Your words are insulting to all of them. Go back to school and learn another language, travel a bit to see other cultures. It will make you understand that perhaps you should appreciate more of what you have, instead of being jealous of what others make and do in their life. You are a true example of why our country is in moral crisis. People with no values and respect, like yourself, hiding behind screens making insulting statements and trashing others for the benefit of their own ego. At this point however It does not matter who you are, you are no one, empty space – after what you said about us, my friends who are proud to do this job and keep your ass safe while you are flying. No need to respond because for me this is my last post and I continue conversations only with those who are respectful. You fall very far from this category
Wow @Stuart you really need some help man. I am a veteran and firefighter and what you said is complete nonsense and highly insulting. Tomek is completely right, you are just a bully and your life is filled with jealousy. The fact that they train for 4 weeks does not make them less professional and deserving good pay than us at our job. Some of my friends who retired at Fire Department work as flight attendants. It is a great job, although hard in the beginning. I think you should think about changing your job, seems like you are really unhappy individual. But the insults man, especially about 9/11 flight attendants…..that’s a shame bro, I am praying for you, you have a lost soul
@Tomek.. That’s great.. and that makes you worthy of making $250K a year as you argue? You are doing a job in which 1% (if that) of your career will involve actual life saving moments. And you deserve more than first responders who spend their entire lives doing so on a daily basis?
@Trevor have you read her previous rants? She is actually implying that a flight attendant is more deserving than a first responder or military and worth $250K a year. If you are such, as you say, tell me that you think a flight attendant deserves better than veterans and fire fighters who put their lives on the line every day. Or even a mall security cop. That’s an argument I would love to have.
@Tomek Oh, and, I am fine with my identity. My personal email is antwerpenseven@gmail.com. Feel free to contact me and tell me yours. You can start by explaining how as a flight attendant you consider your work a dangerous occupation. I am sure many are interested in your great expose on the dangers of air travel today and why, as you imply, we might consider whether putting our children on a plane. Bring it on.
Thank you Trevor, I can handle his insults about my education and worthiness on my job, but he really crossed the line with my coworkers who lost their life in 9/11, stating that they did not do much at all, when in fact some working up front were the first to be killed by the hijackers. And his constant insulting comments about lack of training and pushing buttons to open or arm doors – he is just a low life person with no knowledge and high level of ignorance. This is on the top of the fact that he assumes that I am a female (wrong, Tomek is a male foreign name from Eastern Europe). Maybe that gives him more bully power. Regardless I appreciate you comment. We have lots of former Firefighters and Veterans at my airline, actually I am flying with one of them now. They are absolutely amazing human beings and highly respected coworkers. Thank you again and Thank You for your service!!!
@Tomek. Perhaps read. I “implied” that 9/11 flight attendants were PART of the equation with others, the passengers who rose to defend as it was clear flight attendants were not in any way equipped. Spin as you must in your Union speak language that makes you seem like a defensive wall that is worthy of three times the salary of a first responder.
And, as well, could you be a bit more obvious that you are either posting as Trevor or he is a friend?
Get with the program in your four languages. You are no more worthy of $250K in salary than a mall security employee who I am sure would be happy to share 40 years of history, as you have, of a few random moments that lives were saved. I would imagine that more restaurant employees have saved lives in random moments than you profess.
When you wake up from your Union meeting let me know and we can talk.
@Tomek I respect your profession, I fly quite a lot and I see how hard you guys work, plus all the stories I hear from my friends who work at airlines. Be safe man, people tend to have strong opinions those days, we are more divided than ever, but I am hopeful we will make it throe. Peace brother
@Stuart I have read all comments and it seems people have opinion before they know the facts. Some comments are harsh, you can not discredit the fact she has been on the job for 60 years and besides seniority she has more experience than anyone on the job. You have someone commenting above that he was her passenger on many flights and she was well deserving her status and income. I read Tomek’s comments as well, I do not think he ever mentioned that he deserves 250 K more than EMT, veteran or police officer. He was just saying that it is not fair to say they do not deserve that income after 60 years of flying, as many, including you, have stated. And then you say that he does 1% of life saving events of those who do it every day like doctors or EMTs. Man, do you realize that in Afghanistan there are people who serve and do not hear gunshot fire their entire deployment? Does that make them less deserving to have all benefits or status than those who fight on the battlefield every day? Instead of spending energy and time bullying those who earn 250 K as flight attendant after 60 years on the job, maybe you should advocate for those EMTs who earn 20K and are struggling. You chose the wrong battle brother and you are attacking wrong issue. Inequality of income is a fact in our world today, but Instead of degrading jobs and professions of others we should fight to upgrade income of those who are underpaid. That is all man. I think you went a bit too far with your statements. It is one thing to have an opinion, but the other to degrade another person’s entire career, life and education to place yourself above the others to prove the point. And that comment about 9/11 flight attendants….come on man. That is just purely wrong
I am a retired Delta Flight Attendant. Had the pleasure of flying with Ida. She is a hard worker and was wonderful to the customers. We were working a very long flight and she pulled her load for over nine hours. Before I retired from Delta several Flight Attendants asked me “When was I going to retire” or that “I should retire.” I filed a complaint with Delta Human Resources and they did nothing. Ida is an example of Delta wanting to get rid of senior Flight Attendants so they can hire junior flight attendants and pay them next to nothing.
This story needs to be fleshed out more. There is a real scary story here. Lets start with explaining how her compensation is fairly high, no I am not saying its $250,000. I know who this lady is and she flies high time international trips back to back and her salary is the top pay at over $63 an hour plus she gets international pay, possibly purser pay and she gets per diem. She was a hard worker. But what is perhaps more important is this. These are the tactics that Delta uses. They are known to put crew members on your flight to be able to accuse you of various things. And they will embellish the facts. Think about this, if they were to fire, suspend, or put on probation everybody that took something off an aircraft water, milk etc. Delta would not have a staff. She was being watched and therefore targeted. When they want you gone they will use unsavory tactics to do it. There are many, many stories and there are many lawsuits that are under the radar. There are a lot of flight attendants that cannot pursue their cases because it is a lengthy process, it is expensive and then you have people who believes all of the accolades that this company has received. This company has deep pockets and is highly regarded, a lot of flight attendants choose not to tell their stories out of FEAR. There is a lot of validity to her story. It should not be but it is going to take more people to come out and tell their stories.
Delta flight attendants have a top out pay at right around $70 an hour. They do not get paid for boarding, sitting around an airport waiting for their plane to get in, delays, Ect. They are only paid per flight hour. Average flying in a month is around 80 to 100 hours, so you do the math. 250,000?
@trevor If @Tomek is using 9/11 as a reason to justify his job is “dangerous” and thus deserves more pay than yes, I will respond accordingly to point out facts. This, nearly 20 years later.
There is no math to do on this story. Delta pays a senior flight attendant $70/hour or $200/hour. For whatever reason, this was approved through bankruptcy courts (countless or numerous??) and Delta agreed to that to come out of bankruptcy. Luckily, USAir didn’t purchase them, but I digress. Lawyers, doctors, self employed professionals, judges, Amazon investors, politicians, you name it, make 250K per year with half her tenure. But since we know she makes 250K, it is reasonable to expect that Delta is incentivized to target her. Disparate treatment is highly actionable and we should ask delta how many employees have been investigated for taking milk or similar incidentals. And delta should be willing to explain their answer.
But I can promise you this: Delta wasn’t complaining about her pay or targeting her when she was working for one tenth of the value she provided. They probably didn’t complain when she was buying company stock that later became worthless. And I bet they won’t be blaming her for exposing her to 50+ years of radiation at high altitude (maybe pilots get it worse in the cockpit, i don’t know).
I would like to see her settlement: free first class travel 12x/year, 5 years pay, atty fees, and of course: retirement benefits. All for a glass of milk.
Always a disappointment to review the comments to find petty self-absorbed people insulting each other on and on and on. Wish VFTW had a section for them to do that between/amongst themselves and leave the rest of us out of the spewings of their tiny minds.
As someone who worked for Delta in the past as a Flight Attendant. I DO NOT put it past Delta to try to fire this Woman to replace her with someone younger and cheaper.
Look, honestly many of the young Flight attendant and some of the older ones on Delta are idiots, they will stab you in the back while they smile in your face if that serves their needs (I speak from person experience).
I even had on French older flight attendant tell me on one flight: “Be careful of these Americans, they will smile to your face and stab you in the back” and she was right.
One flight leader (a Woman in her 30’s), when I was new. I did literally all the work while she sat in the front reading News papers (not suppose to do that), and the other flight attendant hid in the Galley exfoliating her nails.
I ran up and down the aisle offering water while we sat on the runway in June (Waiting our turn) as this is what you’re suppose to do.
At the end of the flight the F. Leader came over and apologized to me for being rude, since she was not feeling well & recovering from a cold. I said: don’t worry about it & thank you.
The next day the Flight leader filed a complaint about me claiming I was challenging her authority, when I did no such thing and had no reason to do so. I was new & on probation.
I guess she figured she files a complaint about me before I file one against her (Which I wasn’t going to do anyway).
So this is the kind of people you work with at Delta (and maybe other airlines)….superficial niceness.
And Delta “Investigations” are a JOKE, they will come up with whatever conclusions serves their Pockets regardless of any facts.
This is why Delta needs a Union to protect the workers. Because Delta could care less about its people.