The pilot of an Iberia flight from Miami to Madrid pushed back the Airbus A330 despite “DOZENS of passengers still waiting to find their seats and stow their bags.”
One passenger, filming the cabin, noted that flight attendants seemed “unconcerned” and wanted to report this to government authorities. In fact, one crewmember is distributing predeparture beverages in the aisle and overhead bins remain open as well.
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Passengers weren’t being told to sit. Flight attendants weren’t shown notifying the cockpit to wait. Still, while instructions are always to be seated while on an active taxiway there are rarely issues even if contrary to standard safety procedures.
However 14 CFR 121.317 requires the seat belt sign to be on whenever the aircraft is moving on the ground. And it also requires passengers to obey the seat belt sign. That clearly wasn’t happening here.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (l) of this section, the “Fasten Seat Belt” sign shall be turned on during any movement on the surface, for each takeoff, for each landing, and at any other time considered necessary by the pilot in command.
(f) Each passenger required by § 121.311(b) to occupy a seat or berth shall fasten his or her safety belt about him or her and keep it fastened while the “Fasten Seat Belt” sign is lighted.
Foreign air carriers operating under Part 129 are generally required to follow similar safety standards.
However these rules are explicit about a seat belt sign being on, and passengers following those signs. They aren’t explicit about the pilot’s obligations when passengers are not (i.e. whether choosing to taxi is a violation of regulations). So perhaps this is more of an issue of company policy, as a tool for conforming with regulations, than something expressly in the rules themselves? Or perhaps there’s a relevant regulation I am unaware of. I would love to hear from readers familiar with this area.
(HT: JohnnyJet)
That happened on a flight on Lufthansa I took last week. Nobody was hurt or fell over, but everyone got to their destination faster.
It is no big deal. Some of these bureaucratic regulations are over the top. Their only purpose seems to be to make you fell and act like an obedient brainless child. The plane while pushing back is moving very slowly and if FAs are safe standing, then so are passengers. During an AA flight, it seems never safe enough for a pax to get up and go to washroom, although FAs could be pushing beverage carts around.
For a country that tries to be tough we are a bunch of pussies when it comes to planes. If the plane is moving you’ll learn fast that you better speed up and sit the F down.
America is just so bent on the rules due to….litigation.
Elsewhere. FAs serve drinks on taxiways. Etc.
This is no big deal.
It’s Iberia, cut them some slack. At least they weren’t smoking in the cockpit while taking selfies with Playmates.
I’m surprised by the comments thus far. While not frequent, there are reports of aircraft on taxi getting hit. If the passengers are walking about when this happens, you tumble. What happens to the bags in the overhead of there is a jolt?
I would also like to point out that many times, people can’t get to their seat until others in front of them move, so snarky comments about sitting the f down are uncalled for. I know you’ve been there.
Lastly, rules are enacted in response to previous accidents, not in a proactive manner. Complaining about the rules is just dumb, because something bad happened in the first place to get the rules instituted.
The “horrified” passenger needs to declutch their pearls and chill. The pilot’s just trying to get the show on the road.
Obviously plenty of airline regulations of questionable use, but I wouldn’t say this is no big deal. If people are handling bags and the plane suddenly moves that’s enough to increase the chances people drop bags on other people.
I suspect they had to clear the gate to make way for an arrival.
not by the book but no big deal
The advent of “safetyism” in society over the past two/three decades has been painful to watch.
I don’t see a real problem. The pilot says that the airplane is ready to go and the ground crew does the actual pushback. The pushback part is relatively slow. I wonder if the people were still up and about when the airplane began taxiing.
This was actually not terribly uncommon on the old Eastern shuttles between LaGuardia and National Airport back in the ’70s and ’80s.
I was on an Alitalia flight out of TEL and the FAs were still serving wine during take off. We had the “safety presentation” at cruising altitude. It was both interesting and entertaining.
My first thought is this person never flew outside the USA to some developing countries where the attitude is basically “strap yourself in if you don’t want to die ‘cuz we’re going” lol
As a former F/A, and frequent traveler, I’m sad to read this. My cockpit crew would never even think about moving the aircraft until they heard from me that my cabin was secured. Flying on foreign airlines, I have seen this behavior frequently, and always been surprised, as I have been on an aircraft that was hit on the tarmac on its way to the runway line, and it is not pleasant; I was knocked on my ass when a baggage cart skimmed us, the aircraft lurched to a stop, and I was covered in bruises from hitting armrests on the way down. A passenger had abruptly called for me after we started moving, and I thought he was in danger, so I went to his seat; he wanted a drink – he was a foreigner. Yes, the seat belt sign means something….
The pilot was probably more worried about missing his “slot” than checking with cabin crew
Imagine the international incident had vlogger Kevin been on this flight
“Blue for the win”
Is one of those democrat lefty abortion accounts. It’s no surprise that she’s a karen who wants to snitch that things she’s “concerned about”.
Is that passenger also moved to file a report when First and Business Class passengers are allowed to use the toilet while the “Fasten Seat Belt” sign is illuminated?
For many years taxiing with passengers standing was a fairly common practice (the 10 minute turn). The Flight Attendants closed the cockpit door when all passengers had been seated. On rare occasions there would be a “spinner” (passenger looking for a seat) and said spinner would be offered the spare FA jumpseat rather than a return to the gate to disembark the passenger. (The practice was halted due to not having the Emergency Evacuation demonstrated for the extra passenger.) To my knowledge no takeoffs were made with passengers standing and the cockpit door not being closed. But wait, there’s more to the story back in the “good ‘ol days.”