Two months ago, United Airlines and its flight attendants union came to an agreement on a new contract that meant significant wage increases – although hourly rates basically just offset five years of inflation.
The big win was the add-on of boarding pay, pioneered by non-union Delta and already copied by American. The union failed to achieve ‘ground pay’ (pay for time in the airport) that they’d been promising their members.
I wrote that a revolt against the contract was brewing for both legitimate gripes and misunderstandings.
Ultimately 71% of voting flight attendants rejected the contract, with 92 of those eligible casting ballots.
According to AFA-CWA union chapter President Ken Diaz,
United Flight Attendants today voted to send a strong message to United Airlines management by rejecting a tentative agreement that didn’t go far enough to address the years of sacrifice and hard work to make the airline the success it is today. This is democracy in action.
Flight Attendants need substantial improvements as soon as possible. Our union will survey members as quickly as possible to identify the key issues Flight Attendants are ready to fight to achieve in an agreement they want to ratify. We always said no matter the outcome of the vote, we will fight forward and that is what we will do with the power of 28,000 Flight Attendants and our whole union standing together.
Flight attendants sending “a strong message to…management” is one way to spin it. They sent a strong message to their union rejecting the contract that their leadership negotiated and recommended.
The union made the point clearly to flight attendants that while some of them thought they should ‘never take the first offer’ this was anything but a first offer – it was the best offer. It seems clear that,
- The union got all the economic value that was on the table
- Flight attendants have different priorities. The union read their membership wrong, and communicated with them poorly. How the union chose to parcel out the economic spoils in the new contract didn’t match what flight attendants wanted, hence the need to “survey members..to identify the key issues” that crewmembers want.
- The union lost much of its leverage with the change in administration – a Biden-controlled National Mediation Board might have been more likely to let them strike (although they’d been unwilling to sign off on other strikes, at least before the election).
What’s unfortunate is that it’s been five years since flight attendants at United have had a raise, and this means that they will wait even longer. Senior crewmembers can largely manage that but entry-level wages are not high in this industry.
just to add – which is not noted – is that UA has yet to negotiate a contract on the first vote with any of its labor groups post covid. Their pilots only got what they wanted after unionized Delta led the industry in setting a new high bar for pilot labor costs. UA’s mechanics rejected their first contract proposal months ago.
UA simply cannot make profits comparable to DL by paying their employees industry comparable wages.
UA employees are tired of being subjected to the pep rallies about how great UA is knowing that UA is benefitting off of UA employees’ backs.
Scott Kirby was handed the best employee relations in the company’s history by Oscar Munoz and it is all very much at risk of going up in smoke.
Pay for seniority makes no sense. Pay for performance!
We have better tech than ever to measure and reward good performance. Every flight, upon completion, should bring up (in the United app) a roster, including pics and names, of all crewmembers. A passenger should be able to thumbs up/thumbs down rate each one.
Just like Uber, Lyft, DoorDash etc.
Work in progress. Good things take time. I see nothing wrong here; they didn’t like the offer, so they reject it. Keep trying. Hoping they will reach a better deal soon.
@Tim Dunn — I know you don’t prefer it, but Delta’s FAs and baggage handlers really should consider organizing, like Delta’s dispatchers, and their pilots, since 1934!
@Erect — Let’s not rely on passengers’ often uninformed opinions to be the only judge. These ‘gig economy’ rating systems are not great. Also, recall that they can rate you, too. Wonder your score…
Erect wonders why he can never get an Uber.
1990
why should any more DL employees organize? so they can make less, be treated like this, and have the company take thousands of dollars from them for years if not forever?
DL has figured out a unique formula in an industry that is highly unionized and no rational DL employee would vote for a union given how well they and the company are doing right now.
@Total – I have no problems getting an Uber. I’m an Uber One member as well. I usually have an Uber waiting at the curb before I can even exit the front door of whatever building I’m in. Are you projecting both your inability to get Ubers as well as your stupidity? (Don’t answer that. I know the answer is YES to both.) You are a total moron. Total. Moron.
@1990 – The ratings don’t have to be perfect or the only judge. They do provide valuable data. At this point in the big data/machine learning/AI lifecycle as regards value to the business, it’s malpractice not to be measuring the performance of your workforce in this manner. Seniority-based pay is how you get extremely lousy performance. This has been studied over and over in I-O Psych departments.
Sara Nelson is a cancer on the industry and is more interested in hob bobbing with elites and being on TV than her own members.
Sarah needs to go back to flying.
@Tim Dunn — We agree that Delta’s profit-sharing is a strength, yet there is so much more to unions within aviation (and generally) than just ‘getting paid more,’ like also improved working conditions and job security. It’s a network of support that mere contractors do not receive when on their own.
Another win for the “Haves” at the expense of the “Have-nots”. Upper management and shareholders are going to enjoy the money that the union just left on the table. Another example of voting against ones best interest.
@Erect — Performance is usually a case-by-case determination. Seniority is often an asset. That said, new entrants often bring new ideas and energy. We need a mix. Unions do a decent job of policing and supporting their own. Sure, the capital class and their mercenaries in the C-suite would prefer underpaid, easily exploitable workforces, so they maximize profits. But ‘profits over people’ can only get you so far.
Scott Kirby and the unionized flight attendants are not the real problem. The absolute BIG problem is Sarah Nelson, president of AFA. She’s a cancer to the entire AFA membership & the United membership has longgggg wanted her gone. And her ass is too big to walk down an aisle of a plane & return to flying. That’s what happens when you sit on your butt all day trying to get egocentric media coverage 24/7.
Erect why not survey the industry and pay more than the average since you want to attract the best employees. That is the senior executive model for most companies.
@1990 – Don’t worry, Erect already has a score for sure. That’s how the CCP rolls.
@Mike Hunt — I’m curious how many of the other blogs @Erect is trolling, because recently there was a guy with three Chinese names on DoC that was shit-posting, and it sure seemed like him. Yin jing (Jiba) (Xiaoniao).
@Tim Dunn
“why should any more DL employees organize? so they can make less, be treated like this, and have the company take thousands of dollars from them for years if not forever?”
Some people don’t undertake real critical thought in the economic arena; they just buy into the party line. In the old days, you’d read the Daily Worker and buy the assertion that unions are great without reservation. I knew a person employed by a union once. They felt unions were the equivalent to Windex in “My Greek Wedding.”
@This comes to mind — Umm, advocating for workers doesn’t make anyone a communist. That’s absurd. It’s 2025, we’re all capitalists here.
The simple fact is that DL has been rated BY ITS OWN EMPLOYEES much higher than unionized airlines’ employees rate them.
Delta clearly does have better relations with its employees IN ADDITION to higher economic issues.
And for those that want to blame the AFA, UA pilots rejected their first contract proposal post covid only to receive a contract worth twice as much after DL settled with its pilots.
UA mechanics rejected their contract proposal earlier this year and are still slugging through the process of trying to keep their jobs from being outsourced.
Scott Kirby is treating UA employees just like he did AA and US employees. He knows full well that UA cannot generate profits on par with DL without underpaying UA employees.
@1990 – Probably just monitored AI. Makes you wonder why they’d go to all the trouble though.
Sara Nelson’s political ambitions just ran out of runway.
You just hate to see it.
Tim
Yes. Delta employees enjoy millions upon millions of delta-generated propaganda from Executive-level multi-millionaire hires to management-picked “employee councils” full of “employee videos” reminding Delta FAs how lucky they are to not have any workplace protections whatsoever, while ignoring the fact that they only enjoy their current pay due to Delta’s crazy fear of unionization but forgetting about workplace rules they do not enjoy.
You can’t honestly think Delta pays their employees only out of the goodness of their hearts? It’s a public company, not a charity. They pay because Delta is scared Sh*tless about unionization — evidenced by how they hire executives specializing in anti-unionization.
Unions have their place in society. Your greatest fear and Delta’s greatest fear is that Delta’s profits would be exposed for what they are — largely above average due to lack of workplace protections a union provides. Delta would still be profitable, but no better than United but probably lower profitability than United for a time since Delta has proven such poor negotiators with their own pilot union.
You rant about United yet ignore that Delta workers truly have no protection against being fired or unilateral action from Delta management — most obviously shown recently a few years back when Delta unilaterally took away every non-union profit sharing plan at its current rate and replaced with something significantly lower while going all-out proclaiming it as the best financial thing ever — only true if you’ve never looked at math.
The Delta Pilot Union said “No F-ing way” to Delta management knowing how lucrative a change in profit sharing would be to delta management since Delta did not allow any non-union groups to have equivalent financial advisory groups to ALPA. And out of fear of other unionization, Delta management gave their current profit sharing plan back to other groups.
Delta non-union employees owe their current wages and current profit sharing plan to the sheer fear of Delta management of unionization and how that impacts profitability.
Tim, Your weird fetish and jealousy of Scott Kirby is amusing to everyone, but just that, amusing. You’re a loser in a comment section. He’s the turn-around CEO of United by all accounts.
No one thinks any comment you make is in the best interest of United, their employees, or their customers, but purely in your weird fetish for Delta and fear of Unionization, which is just funny to anyone with real airline experience.
@Mike Hunt — That’s wild, if true. Call me a purist, but I like good ole fashioned, human-to-human trolli… I mean, discourse!
“Umm, advocating for workers doesn’t make anyone a communist. That’s absurd. It’s 2025, we’re all capitalists here.” Those who actually read my post would realize that I clearly suggested those aspiring to be communists would support unions (unflinchingly, because they are “told to”). I never suggested that advocating for workers makes one a communist. Since I am a huge advocate for workers, and I am a not a communist, why would I say that (of course I didn’t, did I?)? That’s absurd. Pft. Bang. Wow [and other Batman graphics]. I’m not a capitalist. I believe in free enterprise. While you might equate the two, I make the important distinction. It highlights that, among other things, I am opposed to government-sponsored actions that diminish the rights of workers (like removing their ability to bargain for wages, hours, benefits, etc.).
@MaxPower — Tim’s ‘fetish,’ you say? Sir, we don’t kink shame at VFTW, unless kink-shaming IS your kink, only then am I at a loss for what to do…
@Tim Dunn — Don’t worry, sir. You’re still right about many things on here. And, you do you, as far as those kinks are concerned!
@This comes to mind — Still, no. You’re needlessly complicating things, and wrongly vilifying those members. Nice Batman references, though. Speaking of, any preference on era? More of a Christian Bale, Dark Knight fan, myself. So, a little less ‘bing, dang, ow!’ And a little more, ‘Why so serious?’
Also, @Mike Hunt, I feel like we need a ‘you have to tell me if you’re an AI’ rule, akin to the misconception that criminals in movies often make, ‘you have to tell me if you’re a cop…’ (they don’t.)
@1990
we could be good friends outside a comment section. I would never kink shame. Though I’ll admit, I might if one’s fetish was Scott Kirby or Delta since those two aren’t generally acknowledged on most San Francisco streets toward the end of September.
@MaxPower — Yup, a bit less leather…
what a whole lot of people can’t accept is that DL employees HAVE HAD multiple opportunities not just to vote for a union but also to decertify the unions that were brought to the merged DL/NW. 40k union jobs were eliminated in a series of votes; a 20 yr DL FA has had THREE opportunities to vote for a union and have rejected it EVERY TIME.
The notion that unions offer anything that DL employees believe is better than what they have has been rejected – by DL employees themselves. THEY, not me, not union advocates and not a bunch of internet know-it-alls have rated their relationship with their employer better than the vast majority of companies.
Unions can’t stand that they can unionize Amazon, Starbucks, VW etc but they can’t get a single more unions at DL
and, again, whether it is Sara or Scott, DL FA’s want nothing at all of what are UA labor relations – and they are and will get worse.
as for your accusation of fetish, it has nothing to do with leather. It has to do with Scott Kirby wanting everyone to believe that he is the smartest person in any room. IN reality, nearly all of the transformation that he has done at UA has been copied from DL.
The ONE thing he hasn’t copied and won’t is DL’s employee relations philosophy which applies to unionized and non-union employees alike.
DL pays its people well, treats them well, and expects them to take better care of their COMMON customers – which they do.
Profit sharing is only part of the equation.
UA FAs are just the latest in Kirby’s brand of labor relations which was established at AA and US.
This won’t be a pleasant or quick process to get a contract.
The notion that UA customers won’t pay a price is as naive as it comes.
I admire that Tim never gives up. And if DL FAs (and baggage handlers) vote again, soon, I suppose we’ll see what happens.
On the lighter side, can we all at least admit that the (synthetic) leather in modern aircraft seats is far superior to the old wool upholstery from yesteryear?
@1990
Lol to the leather seats segue
Bravo.
Certainly more lumbar support
1990,
it is actually you that I am surprised keeps at this line of thinking.
DL employees have had more than enough opportunities to bring in unions.
They also rate their own employer far better than most airline employees do.
Every time there is a discussion about the failure of union-mgmt relations at ANOTHER airline, the idea keeps being raised that DL employees should embrace unions.
I like reading you man, but that is one of the most bizarre lines of logic.
Let’s see how the west coast, Hawaii, Alaska and countries along the Pacific Rim fare due to the tsunami from this massive earthquake off the coast of NE Russia.
It’s stuff like this that SHOULD remind us that there really are real threats that do matter.
@1990. No. The herringbone wool seats in Pan Am’s Clipper Class were beyond cooling, comfortable, durable & quite stylish. On top of that the saddle or navy leather headrests were a very classy touch.
“democracy in action”
Extortion, begging, and grift by union leaders isn’t democracy, quite the opposite.
Lock them out. Short term pain, long term gain. Unions are dead weight on society.
So this is where all the cool cats are hanging out tonight, eh?
Yes @Tim Dunn, I just saw the news — hoping for the best. 8.8, wow.
@ 1990 — Hurry and get the AED ready for Lil Timmy! He’s losing it over the quick DOT approval of the B6/UA merger, I mean, partnership!
What a bunch of whiners! How much does one need to be paid to serve some drinks in the sky?
@Tim Dunn — Yes, coming together is powerful, whether humans or in-nature. I did see that (tsunami), and I am glad that nearly everyone seems to be okay. The deadly ones in 2011 (Japan) and 2004 (Indian Ocean) continue to be the worst in recent memory. Was recently in Sri Lanka for the 20 year commemoration; they’ve come a long way (better warning systems).
@Gene — If only they’d include United Club lounge access for jetBlue Mint customers with that ‘partnership’! Or, at the very least, B6 should actually build a lounge in the new JFK T5-6.
@Mantis — Wrong again. Apparently, some of you have never experienced negative power disparities in the workplace. How fortunate. Meanwhile, I’m still in-favor of workers being able to join together and collectively bargain for a better contract.
@Larry — Please do mention that next time you fly, if you like a little extra ‘spice’ in your PDB.
@L737 — Always a party on here!
@Johnmcsymthe — Classic!
1990,
yes, it appears that the tsunami produced little negative impact in the first round – but Japan warns that later rounds of waves could e worse.
Gene,
there was never any real risk that what UA and B6 proposed would be shot down. It is a joint marketing arrangement that has none of the elements of the NEA or any other merger; IOW, it does little to change anything competitively for the airline industry.
The real test will be when B6 is ready to lease slots to UA which could generate a review by the DOJ – or be too small to make a difference. 7 flights/day isn’t going to change anything other than return UA to a token presence at JFK which wasn’t sustainable before.
and the risk of B6/UA’s plan is that someone else could come along w/ a plan for the future that involves less negative competitive impact involving any carrier other than AA DL or UA which would then leave UA once again with no presence at JFK.
@Tim Dunn — As far as JFK goes, while slots are essential, and it doesn’t seem like they’ll be building any more runways, the terminal situation is about to get very interesting in the coming years with all the new gates at T5-6 (seems to be a new Star Alliance hub) and the new T1 (eastern half of which looks nearly done). If United gets its slots, it should have nice new gates, too. Would be interesting to see a new United Club at JFK (T6?)
1990
UA’s decision to leave JFK left Star at a major disadvantage there.
A token presence may not cause a DOJ review but further concentration at EWR likely will. B6 is about as large at EWR as AA and DL are. UA has consistently controlled 65% plus of EWR capacity and still do even after the reductions in capacity which the DOJ applied across the board.
So, UA will be more concentrated at EWR as a result of this deal assuming it moves beyond joint marketing which is all it is now.
and UA’s decision to vacate certain flights at EWR in order to allow B6 to operate is anticompetitive which the DOJ and states can see.
at a minimum, AA and DL could choose to expand their own presence at EWR which is not slot controlled.
UA will invest in JFK as long as it thinks there is value in doing so a UA club could come but those things aren’t cheap to build.
and it is still very much a strategic risk for UA that someone else besides AA DL or UA could come along and propose a deal to B6 that involves less competitive risk
specific to this discussion, UA is going to face higher costs or a less happy workforce which could take a lot of wind out of UA’s progress esp. as DL ramps up its international growth in the areas of the world where UA has been stronger than DL
@Tim Dunn — Time will tell… so, in that case, will Delta fly to Nuuk, too?!
Nuuk isn’t strategically necessary. It is just a bragging point – which UA is good at doing. Like Mongolia, Nuuk won’t even move the needle much since it is summer seasonal and less than daily on a narrowbody
flashy, meaningless bragging points is what UA does but is not a DL thing
@Tim Dunn — Agreed. As an avgeek, I enjoy the novelty of unique routes, but those must not be profitable, unless subsidized (which doesn’t seem to be much of ‘a thing’ for this admin). I doubt it lasts any longer than this year.
C E Woolman once said, “”An employee’s devotion to his or her company, dedication to the job and consideration for the customer determine a company’s reputation.” He added, “”Delta’s success came not just from good operations and efficiency, but above all from the friendly spirit of Delta and the way Delta employees handled the public.”
While Delta, like any large corporation, has its problems, there’s very little “infighting” among the employees. There is little “us versus them” mentality. During the transition after the NWA acquisition, one could ride on a Delta flight with a segregated crew…”Delta South” and “Delta North” people. There was a HUGE difference in temperament, service and customer service between the two factions. The “North” people did ONLY WHAT THE CONTRACT SAID…nothing MORE but a hell of a lot less. While the “South” people were doing the job of caring for the customer. There’s no need for a union in any department. When the company meets certain DOT metrics, everyone gets a little piece of the economic pie…out of the blue. Then every Valentine day, they get a paycheck that, this year, amounted to FIVE WEEKS pay. Why would a union improve on this? THEY CAN’T. The ONLY thing a union wants is to feather their bank account. Hey Delta, I think your motto is, “Keep Climbing”. Keep doing it!
Let’s say UA eventually gives in to avoid a strike and pays the flight attendants what they are demanding. Flying itself is already unprofitable or barely profitable for the airlines.
With higher costs the airline begins to lose money or make a lot less money. Routes and frequencies are cut, older planes parked and thus crew (least seniority at that) are furloughed.
So this would be a win for employees?
@Tim Dunn — Not to mention, United has struggled on that route; EWR-GOH, UA80/81, has had several cancellations and diversions, likely due to the volatile weather conditions. Unless #45/47 annexes it, I doubt there’s ever going to be real demand there.
@George Romey — You forget that the airlines are only part-airline and becoming more so ‘flying banks’ thanks to their loyalty programs and associated partnerships. So, these companies can afford to pay their people better; it’s just a question of whether the workers will fight hard enough to maintain their fair share. I hope they do get a better contract soon, because they do deserve it.
1990,
it is likely the IROPs that are the biggest drain on the route; not only have they tied up an aircraft that could be doing something else but they are spending money to do something w/ passengers that either go nowhere or get stranded somewhere enroute.
47 is becoming more realistic – 30% is becoming 15% and the world accepts it.
The Danes will be friends again and the few military people that travel between Greenland and the US will still figure out how to fly w/ or w/o UA.
and George,
remember that UA made grandiose plans to expand during the pandemic that included massive aircraft purchases and route expansions.
As I said would be the case, the market simply does not support huge domestic expansion which would only hurt UA in its own markets – so UA is not growing its domestic system any faster than DL is.
Boeing is well behind schedule on delivering airplanes to UA but UA still has a total order book that is multiples of times larger than any other airline.
UA’s higher labor costs won’t sink it; a downturn that requires that UA to continue to take massive amounts of new airplanes is what will do UA in.
and DL is still getting more new Airbus widebodies delivered this year – as was true in 2024 – than UA or any other US airline.
UA has lived off of cheaper than market labor rates and the bill is coming due. The AFA has to balance all of the things that senior and junior FAs want but UA isn’t going to be able to get by w/ short-changing part of the workforce in order to make the other happy. that type of divide and conquer mentality is typical for unions but UA FAs aren’t buying it.
@Tim Dunn — It has been wild to watch as even the Europeans shrug and accept those terms; it’s like a geopolitical ‘high-low price strategy’ in-action. I guess the guy really is the best con, I mean, sales guy around!
“and DL is still getting more new Airbus widebodies delivered this year – as was true in 2024 – than UA or any other US airline.”
What a weird thing to say.
In other news, AA is getting more 787-9P delivered this year than Delta or any other US airline. Great Tim, Delta is getting more airbus wide bodies delivered than the other US carriers with no scheduled Airbus widebody deliveries in 2025.
You just love to ignore that nothing has changed about United’s order book. It’s massively larger than Delta’s on wide bodies and narrow bodies yet you still keep this weird “Delta growth” narrative due to well-known Boeing and Airbus delivery issues.
Nothing has changed about United’s desire to grow their domestic network except for Boeing Max10 issues — a plane Delta also has on order.
@MaxPower — @Gene, @L737, @Mike Hunt, and I were just talking on the other comment treat in (‘Southwest Airlines Has Finally Lost It…’); you and @Tim Dunn aren’t literally the same guy going back and forth, right? Sorry, a bit ‘meta,’ and I highly doubt it, but we’re trying to settle a ‘conspiracy theory’ wager over there. Thanx!
*thread (though, it’s becoming a ‘treat,’ I suppose…)
Also, @Tim Dunn, beyond the tsunami situation, volcano in far-east Russia (Klyuchevskoy) just started erupting again; that often hampers Pacific flight paths. Fun times…
Back to the subject. What was the sticking points why this contract was not approved? The wage increases (with boarding pay) seemed fair.
@1990
Though it’s likely a great way to generate VERY low-revenue clicks dying to see us attack the other so ferociously with perceived winners and losers. But to assume we’re the same person equally deranged…
Alas, No. I’m not a fired delta employee like Tim. Nor do I care about any airline in any way the way Delta is enshrined within Tim. Public Companies are not my lord and savior. Alas.
I can understand a perceived view of the two of us as Harry Potter and Voldemort. Hermione was chatting about that with me the other day…
But alas, I shudder to think about his horcrux anywhere inside me…
@MaxPower — Ah, a ‘chamber of secrets,’ indeed!
@MaxPower @1990 — I certainly hope the next back and forth is a debate on who is Harry and who is Voldemort!
@l737
GOD DAMN IT! I thought my Hermione reference would illuminate even the dullest minds! WHERE. IS. SNAPE?! Always slithering off when he’s needed! And the Malfoys—HA! Preening, cowering, decorative little cowards… USELESS!
Yes, ChatGPT but I try
1990,
there are alot of people that never thought 47 could pull off the tariff strategy and yet it seems to be happening.
they call if the Pacific Rim and Rim of Fire for good reason.
max,
you incessantly (and other people too) talk about how big UA’s order book is but you can’t grasp that the size of the order book doesn’t matter. What is actually RECEIVED does matter. As is true with most things, DL delivers results while UA talks.
as for domestic expansion, it was never reasonable to think that UA could add as many aircraft as UA ordered without tanking UA’s own financial performance by creating overcapacity.
Kirby – and yes I am harping on him because he said it – can’t grasp that when you flood the market to drive out competitors, you are going to push down yields which limit UA’s ability to grow its network.
and, again, DL is actually adding more domestic capacity than UA but doesn’t tout it. 4% growth on DL’s larger domestic system amounts to more absolute capacity than UA’s 6% growth.
As hard as it is for you to admit – and I don’t have any expectation that you ever will – DL simply outsmarts UA.
and that includes labor relations which is the one strategy on which UA isn’t even thinking about copying DL.
and the losers are UA FAs. and mechanics. and baggage handlers….
1990,
Max uses AI.
I train the models.
there’s the difference
Lol.
Tim the child-molester defender so long as they work for Delta…
Who is surprised
Get a therapist you creep.
Only you would defend a delta child abuser with scripture
What a creep.
I fully admit to AI when I use it as I Did. AI identified you as the idiot delta propagandist
Congrats
You’ve made it: even AI knows you’re a fired schill
you got taken to the cleaners because you don’t know what one of the key statements in human history about guilt and yet you keep coming – and all you prove is how ignorant you are.
stop the childish character attacks when all it proves is that you are clueless – yet again.
and UA’s FAs still don’t have a contract while DL FAs have taken home tens of thousands in profit sharing year after year since UA’s FA contract became amendable.
Yes…
Tim Dunn defending only Delta child abusers is ok because your view of Delta-based Christianity is… You only defend Delta child abusers via out of context Bible verses. On this website and others. Find some credibility. You don’t have it now.
I’ll judge the F out of men that put their D**cks in a girls’ mouth that is under age 10 (to be clear, under age 18 too).
Or if they put a camera on a girl’s toilet. An airline doesn’t buy my moral compass like it does yours.
And I don’t need to qualify my judgement via a skewed biblical verse to make Child abuse ok so long as an employee works for Delta. That’s where you need to apologize and without equivocation.
Fellas, I’ll admit, I do enjoy when the heat gets turned up; and the past several days have been a scorcher (in NYC at least.) It’s anecdotal, and I’m just one guy, but I want you each to know that I have tickets with Delta AND United in the coming weeks. There’s plenty of us frequent flyers to go around. Keep it up!
1990,
storms are coming. They mostly are neuron misfires in Max’s head.
Only in his perverted mind could he construe that anyone including me was defending a child molester
but Max has proven over and over that he is more driven to try to land a blow than to even get the facts straight.
in your attempts to scorn others, Max, you can’t understand that you are as vile and sick as pervert pilot. Your heart is dark and evil.
Pervert pilot and his FA counterpart at AA are solely responsible for their actions, just as you are for yours.
In your world where you need to blame someone else for everything else, it is impossible for you to realize that you are as sick as the people you condemn.
that is why you are in no place to throw any stones at anyone.
Apologies for defending a child abuser are easy, Timmy.
the rest of your reputation is all you…
“in your attempts to scorn others, Max, you can’t understand that you are as vile and sick as pervert pilot. Your heart is dark and evil.”
but again. What a response from the world’s foremost loser.
Stop defending child abusers with scripture only because they work for delta.
You’re sick and DISGUSTING
I’ve never once defended child abuse on the behalf of an airline. That’s your MO.
The only loser and sicko is you, someone that wakes up every day to look for every opportunity on the internet to trash someone that not only knows world literature but also the industry about which you so desperately want to act like an expert.
Not a soul anywhere defended what pilot pervert or his girlfriend did.
The fact that you think it is even remotely acceptable to suggest otherwise shows that your mind is as depraved and evil as the pilot.
I was loyal to NWA on flights from LAX to BKK for almost 20 years but the take over by Delta ended that. I hurriedly used my accumulated miles before they devalued too much. The mileage roundtrip was booked through Delta but actually flown on Alaska and Korean. I tried to fly Delta but the prices were higher and the trips a lot longer. So I moved on to EVA which was a great change. The NWA flight attendants were always great but flying EVA was even better.
Even giving in to the United flight attendants’ demands will not create a compatible environment in their cabins. I may end up flying United in the future to use accumulated miles but I am not looking forward to it.