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Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community InsideFlyer.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" by Conde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty. More About Gary »

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  1. Though I have to admit that I’m pretty unschooled in such matters, I appreciate this interesting analysis, Gary. But don’t the airlines have the pricing power to raise fares, at least for domestic routes, and particularly for the many cities where there is relatively little competition? And even in those cities where there is a modicum of competition, can’t the airlines collude (though they would never call it that) to raise fares?

  2. “There don’t appear to be opportunities for the largest airlines to take on more planes than they have today, fly more routes, to earn more money.”

    Which is why AA just delayed the delivery of their previously ordered A350s by several years.

  3. @Steve: in regards to your second question, the airlines don’t publicly collude, but sometimes one airline will raise fares by say $25 across the board, and then the other airlines can then decide to follow suit. If the other airlines don’t, then the original airline will roll back the price increase.

  4. PRASM does seem like an outdated metric. A few years ago, an airline would sell bargain-basement seats to fill the plane. This allows a customer to fly who otherwise wouldn’t at a higher price, and requires the traveler to be pretty savvy/lucky to purchase the ticket at the right moment. Today, the low-cost flyer will typically settle for a ULCC who has cheap fares more readily available.

    Bargain-basement seats on legacy airlines are currently harder to find than they were a few years ago; it seems legacy airlines are more willing to fly with empty seats. I don’t know why this is exactly, but I suspect ULCCs are a factor.

  5. @Steve the frustration of the Wall Street community is precisely that airline fares have been falling, airlines have been powerless to increase the revenue they’re extracting from seats, those have been declining.

  6. @Pat bargain basement seats have been pretty prevalent, average fares are certainly lower than a year ago, and legacy carriers have been matching price of the ultra low cost carriers. there aren’t that many empty seats on legacy carriers with load factors north of 80%.

  7. Gary: By going through consolidation and capacity control US airlines have chosen to put themselves in a position when only PRASM metrics is important. Airline travel is not a growing industry in USA any longer and everyone is flying the same Boeing and Airbus airplanes. There is no differentiation between the products. Right now there is no prospect to increase number of seats and passengers in US and none of the big player will be taking any drastic steps soon. Regardless what the executives are saying the airlines are selling a commodity product that has no value once plane is departed or a passenger would step out of a plane. As any commodity, it is a subject to large fluctuation in price. Do you choose BP vs. Mobil gas because of the brand name or just fill up at the most convenient gas station or the one that costs 1 cent less per gallon? It is getting the same when choosing between AA, DL, and UA.
    The only thing that could happen is a newcomer that would shake up the industry by offering a cheaper and not necessary better product to attract new travelers. With oil prices low, this would happen sooner or later. Then the big airlines will loose again. We are already seeing low cost carriers entering long-haul market. Gulf carriers made significant gains including premium travel. Chinese companies are taking over transpacific flights. What if AirAsia would be allowed for entering US and paying crews their wages?
    Currently, US airlines have no long term strategy for growth. Their only hope is to hold to their monopoly and execute capacity control. But this will not last long as one cannot play defense forever. Hence, their stocks are dropping.

  8. It always amazes me when the airlines “raise” their prices. Raise from what? On any flight their must be 10-15 different fare basis – from coach to first. Do they raise the entire price list or just the lower tiers? Also, I still think all airlines should have “refundable” tickets like Southwest. Yes SW stock has gone down as well, but at least SW flyers aren’t nickel and dimed for every little thing!

  9. Gary, was any lip service paid to the pension liability issue? Given the nature of lower returns going forward due to current interest rates and sluggish equity markets, this might be playing into analysts concerns.

  10. @Alex77 : Are you saying Chevron with Techron isn’t worth 30 cents per gallon more?
    Damn.

    The idea airlines should be valued like industrials MIGHT be relevant if their credit ratings were as good as industrials and they actually WERE industrials.
    As it stands, airlines, like financials , have some degree of “jump to default” risk. Crash a few planes in a short period and see how many people flee your carrier and what scrutiny you attract from regulators.
    Granted, financials have the greatest JTD risk.
    The comparison is somewhat weak, but both these business types are highly susceptible to fear: one to fear of losing one’s money and the other to loss of life.

  11. Airlines (like many industries) would be smart to ignore Wall Street minions and focus on operations and long term objectives. Delta has done this for years and as a result has good operational performance and higher profits than other legacy carriers. Customers pay more for reliability. Wall Street clearly doesn’t understand the value of the credit card points Ponzi scheme. On the flip side the airlines always seem to be one external event (oil price hike, terrorism, economic downturn) away from losing money, so it is understandable that nobody is paying a premium for airline stocks.

  12. Businesses that tailor their operations to produce data that thrill Wall Street are missing the boat, of course, and sealing their own long-run doom. It’s hard to imagine a climate better for airline profits than right now. The industry is benefiting from about two decades of falling unit labor costs, recently plunging fuel costs, an industry M&A frenzy that seems momentarily in remission, and developed world capital costs lower than at any time since the Industrial Revolution. Couple all that with record passenger volume, and it’s hard to see how things could get any better. Hence, the relatively pessimistic views of some stock analysts.

  13. I actually read an article in a major newspaper that the legacys were complaining that they did not have good seat revenue/mile and were LOSING MONEY! and yet in the same article one if not all of the legacys made
    over $20 million more than the same quarter last year. When an airlines annual profit is $850,000 that is nearing $1 BILLION dollars. If you watch tickets prices the flights to mid size cities are high, some breaks on coast to coast but generally domestic tickets are high. Be careful how they are interpreting their sorry stories- they are doing abfab! And these LOW TICKETS to Europe and Asia is just temporary so they can make some money during low season when it is absolutelly freezing in winter and Asia is typhoon season. I pay for my own tickets now that I am retired and love the treatment and low fares on our non-legacy domestic carriers and middle east, Turkish and Norwegian. A 13YR flight attendant for a legacy carrier makes a minimum $65,000/YR. The average for a registered nurse is $60,000/YR. A 15GR LEGACY Captain makes $250,000/yr with great benefits/retirement. Very few MD’S make that, maybe an Orthopedic or Plastic Surgeon. Remember, the plane flies the pilot, the pilot does not fly the plane anymore- he just puts in the correct co-ordinates and watches the instruments for possible mechanical issues. I flew internationally for 10 years and loved it and the high paycheck, I got out when there was a shortage of pharmacists and made great money but let me tell you, the stress is huge and was at twice if not more stressful than being a F.A. I think the legacys and their employees are going to have to be reasonable about greedy profits and salaries.

  14. To add to my above commentary- Southwest Flight Attendants always make $5,000 MORE than the legacys. That’s right- $70,000/yr- that is why they are dancing thru the isles! And now they have a few new cities in the Caribbean and Mexico so has to be less boring. So, I am sure they did not neglect the cockpit. This only goes to show you don’t have to charge an arm and a leg to make great profits.It may not be a godess job like when I flew, but it sure ranks up there with the pay and benefits. This means JetBlue and the other non-legs could share the wealth more with their employees and still have a good profit. Greed to make people live on less than $35,000 being away from home so much. IN OTHER WORDS- THE FARES COULD BE CHEAPER AND STILL MAKE A GOOD PROFIT! WHY DOES EVERY ONE WANT TO MAKE A KILLING!

  15. PRASM by itself doesn’t mean much. The problem is with the unbundling of services to try and drive up PRASM. What unbundling has done is to give the power to consumers to drop services for which they would have been paying in the past. Bundled services are considered anti-competitive for a reason – they allow the bundler to push low demand items (early boarding for example) with high demand ones (seats). If anything, PRASM should (and usually does) have an inverse relationship with bundling.

    The exceptions, and this is where Alaska’s CFO is correct, would be models where costs are structured to make low demand services a truly incremental gain. Therefore, LCCs will always win on PRASM and legacies will always lose since their costs are not structured in the same way. For legacy carriers, revenue per seat mile and net income are definitely better indicators of performance.

    At the same time, no argument that share value is meant to demonstrate growth potential, which airlines are not generally considered to be. But that’s ignoring that revenue per se can continue to grow on account of greater volumes. In what is becoming pretty typical of investment fund strategies, the focus is on the short term growth metric (PRASM) than on longer term metrics, like aircrafts on order, interest payment growth and cash on hand.

  16. While I find your analysis interesting, I would submit that the issue is far less complex than you — and some Wall Street analysts — have painted. The obvious reason why unit revenue (PRASM) has been down in the airline industry since 2014 is that costs have collapsed. The price of jet fuel during that period has fallen by something like $2.00.

    I would submit that any industry — even one with few players and oligopolistic tendencies — could not raise its prices in an environment where its costs were cratering. This would be particularly true in the airline industry, where there would be an obvious tendency to add additional seats when they can be flown at much lower cost. For instance, a route to Asia might not be profitable at $3 fuel, but is highly profitable at $1.50 fuel. This is, of course, why the airline industry has recorded record profits at the same time as unit revenue has fallen.

    When airline costs increase — say because fuel prices rebound — I have little doubt that unit revenue will also rebound in the industry.

    Wall Street’s unwillingness to appreciate profits derived from lower costs has resulted in very strange market conditions. Airlines like American are using their record profits and low share prices to buy back remarkable quantities. AA just bought back something like 9% of their outstanding shares in the last quarter alone! If the gravy train doesn’t end soon, I suspect this anomaly will be corrected.

  17. It seems like Corolynne is a troll who has never actually worked in the industry. Likely a bitter wannabe that couldn’t make it. Her stories are highly implausible, her descriptions of the jobs highly inaccurate, and her arguments inconsistent.

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