About Gary Leff

Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community InsideFlyer.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" by Conde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty. More About Gary »

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  1. Truly fascinated to learn about the separate tickets being treated as one during IROPS. Amazing, thanks Gary.

  2. @Gib It’s a oneWorld specific alliance dictated policy. The same is NOT TRUE on United or Delta.

  3. @Gary
    What a coincidence that you would post about this very topic today just when I was about to email you and ask you to write about it. I was looking today for IAH-PHL tickets for June and couldn’t find anything below $519 on American… But 2 one-way tickets on AA were way cheaper: I found IAH-DFW for $87 and DFW-PHL for $181. I couldn’t make any sense why this was happening and literally thought about asking you…

  4. @Gary Can you post the link to where you found the AA/Oneworld policy for IROPS protection? The link I have is dead and can’t seem to find the updated URL.

  5. 03/28/2016 I was trying to purchase from AA.com MCI-DFW-NYC and it was giving me over $1,200 round-trip (RT). I said that makes no sense. I did MCI-DFW RT on one ticket and DFW-NYC RT on another. Much cheaper. Then I did MCI-DFW one-way (OW) and it was only $95. Then DFW-NYC $121 OW. Then NYC-MCI $132 OW. MUCH cheaper. But AA.com would not let me book it. So I called EXP and they said for the past few days, there have been some glitches in the system and it is pricing higher and to go ahead and do the OWs. So I did. I paid one-quarter of the the computer was trying to cheat me out of.

  6. The answer to thie IROPS dilemma is to book tickets with a card like Chase Sapphire Preferred, which has extensive travel benefits that will cover such things as missed connections, etc. due to IROPS.

  7. On a separate note, I live in DFW. Last week, I had a ticket AUS-DFW-HKG-KUL-HKG-DFW-AUS. I had a separate ticket DFW-AUS and then AUS-DFW on the return. Two separate tickets. I was about to leave DFW-AUS and door about to close when I got a text the AUS-DFW was cancelled so I would miss my HKG flt. I got off the plane and the gate agent (GA) told me these are two separate tickets and she cannot protect me and there is nothing she can do. Which is contrary to what is written at https://viewfromthewing.com/2016/03/30/american-changed-fare-rules-charge-heres-beat/?_ga=1.140391795.1596161588.1459247153. But I didn’t have this rule handy with me and I did not want to argue.

  8. Based on the FT thread, it seems like two things are going on. The rule that Gary cites and a glitch in the multicity booking engine that treats ar one way from X to Y in Monday and a one way from Y to Z on Tuesday as being put through flight, not two true one ways.

  9. Why are you just mentioning AA? All three legacies are not doing this . . .UA and DL have also changed their fare rules to stop end-on-end multi-city pricing. There are threads in both the UA and DL fora on FT.

  10. Why are you just mentioning AA? All three legacies are now doing this . . .UA and DL have also changed their fare rules to stop end-on-end multi-city pricing. There are threads in both the UA and DL fora on FT.

  11. And if you have to cancel your three-leg, three-ticket trip, now you get to pay $600 in cancellation fees instead of $200. Fun times.

  12. @Gary – Will this be the beginning of the end of those AA/OW policies then? I was just telling a friend about that tonight. Interesting also that you think this has to do with the LCC/ULCC phenomenon. Spirit has similar rules, but can similarly be worked around. For example, I had to book separate tickets for family to travel MYR-FLL and FLL-MGA on NK, even though I could have booked ORD-FLL-MGA as a single ticket.

    On the topic of major carrier responses to ULCC competition… I tried to book a flight on DL tonight from Google Flights. All was well until the final confirmation page, where it would not allow me to select a seat. I otherwise would have never known I was booking a Basic Economy fare!! At least Spirit beats you over the head with their messaging during the entire checkout process, so you know what you’re buying. Went back and found the flight on Delta’s site, where it was very clear in the search results, and I had the easy option of paying $10 more for a chance at an upgrade (and $60 more than that for confirmed F).

  13. All I can say is “Don’t mess with me American, unless you want to go the way of United which is ZERO FLIGHTS THIS YEAR!”

  14. Gary, check out the new EK awards via AS MileagePlan, did they give us any notice of these changes?

  15. This is unrelated, but recently I wanted to use AA points to book a 300 mile non-stop, one-way flight on American. Thought I could get it for 7,500 miles, but it was 50,000. If I wanted to fly the next day on a Monday it would’ve been 7,500 or a week later, etc.

    Thought that was kind of shady on American’s part.

  16. @Carl So what ended up happening? Did you have to rebook your HKG flight and pay change fees?

  17. @Chris-She refused to protect me. I had to take action. I asked if there were any earlier flights from AUS to DFW. She said there is one at 8:45 and I asked her to add me to the standby list. She did. She took no initiative to be creative or helpful. So I left DFW-AUS at 7, arrived at 8, went to Admiral’s Club, she checked on 8:45AM flight back to DFW, said I am #1 on the list (since I am EXP) and then went to gate and was the last to board. Sat way in the back, no first class, no main cabin extra. Got an aisle, thank goodness, not a middle seat. 36 minute flight. Got back to DFW, went to Admiral’s Club in D, then into FlagShip International Lounge, hung around until flight to HKG. They are not interested in helping you, you need to be in charge of yourself. Sorry for the delay. After that weekend, this past weekend I flew DFW-ORD-DFW-PEK and back. Ben (Lucky) and I were on the same flight from PEK-DFW on 4/4/16.

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