Grammy-nominated gospel singer Bobbi Storm tried to sing for the plane. A Delta crewmember threated to kick her off if she wouldn’t sit down and shut up. She took to social media to complain about the incident, says Delta reached out to apologize. But they should apologize to the rest of the passengers… and the crewmember who was doing the right thing, that they aren’t standing behind.
She declared she “sing[s] for the Lord” and therefore, apparently, isn’t subject to the laws of man.. or Delta Air Lines when asked by the airline to “be quiet.” Her response? “I’m doing what the Lord is telling me to do.”
The flight attendant made clear to her that if she’s not going to be able to follow instructions, she’s not going to be able to fly. Even if she doesn’t have to follow all instructions, a concern that she’s going to be disruptive and not follow instructions could lead to concerns she’ll be a threat to safety later in the flight – and refused carriage. Storm appears to comply but when the flight attendant walks off she says she is going to keep “sing[ing] it on the low.”
What do you think? Bobbi Storm is a Christian Musician who was just nominated for a Grammy and wanted to share her great news with the plane. The flight attendant was not having it. I understand her excitement, but I understand his desire for order. But I think he was mean.… pic.twitter.com/yrIdBXaEsb
— Miss Understanding (@VeganCheat92403) November 11, 2023
She got up in the aisle and started singing. She may be talented, but people want to rest, to work, to pay attention to entertainment more to their liking. People are stuck in a metal tube. It’s bad enough when they’re subjected to credit card announcements they can’t simple ignore. This is worse.
Claiming that the seat belt sign is off so she can sing in the aisles is absurd. She may be allowed out of her seat to go to the lavatory, but the “please don’t sing at the whole cabin” light wasn’t turned off.
The right way to do this is to ask the crew whether they’d mind if she sang to everyone? And then the crew might look around the cabin to see whether it’s situationally appropriate. But don’t have the hubris to impose yourself on everyone else when they can’t opt out.
Good, I don’t care who you are, the plane is t the time or place for that. I’m on a flight to get to where I’m going, not to be your captive audience for you to stroke your ego to.
” But the korans sura’s are cumulative with later ones overruling earlier ones. ”
-LOL..that’s a new one. Never heard of that one.
“You don’t know what you’re talking about.”
-Sounds like a tu quoque argument if I ever seen one.
https://www.npr.org/2010/03/18/124494788/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran
“By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane,” he says. “Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide.”
It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: “And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them,” God says through the prophet Samuel. “But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.
“In other words,” Jenkins says, “Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God’s law if you do not.”Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed.
‘Holy Amnesia’
But Jenkins says, even though the Bible is violent, Christianity and Judaism today are not for the most part.
“What happens in all religions as they grow and mature and expand, they go through a process of forgetting of the original violence, and I call this a process of holy amnesia,” Jenkins says. ut Of Context’
That may be the popular notion of jihad, says Waleed El-Ansary, but it’s the wrong one. El-Ansary, who teaches Islamic studies at the University of South Carolina, says the Quran explicitly condemns religious aggression and the killing of civilians. And it makes the distinction between jihad — legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement — and irjaf, or terrorism.
“All of those types of incidences — [Sept. 11], Maj. Nidal Hasan and so forth — those are all examples of irjaf, not jihad,” he says. According to the Quran, he says, those who practice irjaf “are going to hell.”
So what’s going on here? After all, we all have images of Muslim radicals flying planes into buildings, shooting up soldiers at Fort Hood, trying to detonate a bomb on an airplane on Christmas Day. How to reconcile a peaceful Quran with these violent acts?
El-Ansary says that in the past 30 years, there’s been a perfect storm that has created a violent strain of Islam. The first is political: frustration at Western intervention in the Muslim world. The second is intellectual: the rise of Wahhabi Islam, a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam subscribed to by Osama bin Laden. El-Ansary says fundamentalists have distorted Islam for political purposes.
“Basically what they do is they take verses out of context and then use that to justify these egregious actions,” he says.
El-Ansary says we are seeing more religious violence from Muslims now because the Islamic world is far more religious than is the West. Still, Jenkins says Judeo-Christian cultures shouldn’t be smug. The Bible has plenty of violence.
“The scriptures are still there, dormant, but not dead,” he says, “and they can be resurrected at any time. Witness the white supremacists who cite the murderous Phineas when calling for racial purity, or an anti-abortion activist when shooting a doctor who performs abortions.
https://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/
Today, the most quoted — and the most misinterpreted — Quranic passage (2:190-192) is the one giving permission to fight the unbelievers. What many don’t know is that it speaks only to a specific time, and only at the city of Mecca, when the idol worshippers of Mecca had broken a truce with the Muslims and did horrible injustices.
The passage speaks to the Muslims with numerous conditions, including that fighting in self-defense was a last resort.
I am most impressed with an analysis of this passage by Lesley Hazleton, of Seattle, an agnostic Jew and an award-winning British-American writer.
Over a period of three months, she read in their entirety four well-known translations and a transliteration of the Quran, along with the Arabic text, then offered an interpretation of this disputed verse.
She describes the conditions of this verse as: not that you must kill, but that to do so at that time was allowed only under many conditions: including only after a defined grace period had passed; only if no other pact was in place; only if the idol worshippers stopped you from going to the Kaba (in Mecca); and only if they attacked you first — and even then, God is merciful, forgiveness is supreme.
Her findings reveal that the verse is allowing Muslims to defend themselves only with peace as their ultimate goal, which mirrors the interpretation of Islamic scholars today.
Scholars of Quran tell us the verses dealing with this topic are specific and not intended to imply a general meaning for just anyone to decide to go around combating non-Muslims. The early Muslims had been driven out of their homes and turned out into the desert to starve. After finally, relocating in Medina, verses came in Quran instructing them to make hajj (pilgrimage) back to Makkah. Finding their way blocked and after several years of making agreements and treaties that the others continually broke, the Muslims were at last, told they could now fight in combat against the tyrants who had so horribly mistreated and abused them in the past. However, this would only be acceptable to Allah if they remained within very specific limitations. The word “Qital” in Arabic in this instance refers to “combat” rather than what some have used “kill” because the word “kill” is far to general, while the word “combat” appropriately describes what is intended by the usage in this passage. Allah Knows Best.
It should also be noted the usage of the word “Fitnah” in the same verse denotes a horrible condition, not unlike what we find today when there is terrorism and tyranny against the moral and just society at large. It would be easy to properly understand the meaning as, “Engage them in combat, even killing them, until the state of “Fitnah” (terrorism) no longer exists in the society and people are free to worship Allah by their choice.”
The verse of the Holy Quran is often mentioned to malign Islam. The verse does not say infidels it says idolaters. (9:5) And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
This verse, chapter 9 verse 5, is often used as evidence that Islam allows killing of non-Muslims, but what is not recognized is the context and history behind these verses. The history of this verse is that when Prophet Muhammad(sa) began preaching the unity of God he was persecuted for 13 years, much as Prophets Abraham and Jesus were. Since Muslims who are being persecuted are encouraged to leave for safer areas, rather than create disorder, Muhammad(sa) and his followers migrated to Medina. After they left, the Meccans attacked them in Medina on and off for a period of nine years until Chapter 9 was revealed.
Looking at the context of the verses, it becomes obvious that the commandment of this verse only relates to those tribes who continued hostilities against the Muslims even after they had migrated. In particular, reference is made to 5 tribes (‘Banu Khuza’ah, Banu Mudlij, Banu Bakr, Banu Damrah, and Banu Sulaiim) that did not honor the treaties they made with Muslims. It is also important to remember that the preceding verses give these people respite for 4 months to reconsider their behavior and cease hostilities. Sadly after 4 months passed, the enemies of Islam continued their hostilities against the Muslims. Only then was Prophet Muhammad(sa) commanded by God to meet them in battle to defend Muslims and the religion of Islam.
Even in this situation the Quran states that if the enemies repent of their behavior and promise to fulfill their treaties, it becomes incumbent on Muslims to cease military action and forgive them. Unfortunately those who take this specific verse out of context fail to see that as the title Al-Taubah suggests, the main subject matter of the chapter is forgiveness and repentance.
Jacobin – don’t you have a goat waiting in your bed for you?
The Quran has 123 verses that call for fighting and killing anyone who does not agree with the statement, “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.” Jews and Christians are specifically included among such “infidels.”
The Quran’s Sura 5:33 says about infidels, “They shall be slain or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off.” Sura 9:5 says, “Slay the infidels wherever you find them … and lie in wait for them … and establish every stratagem (of war against them).” Sura 47:4-9 promises paradise to whoever cuts off the head of an infidel.
Have respect for other passengers. Would she appreciate someone else standing up and reading loudly from a book, playing a musical instrument, chanting a team cheer, or any other way of forcing their own entertainment on others?
https://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/death-to-unbelievers-qurans-most-misread-words/
https://www.npr.org/2010/03/18/124494788/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran
Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.
“By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane,” he says. “Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide.”
It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: “And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them,” God says through the prophet Samuel. “But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.
“In other words,” Jenkins says, “Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God’s law if you do not.”
“Jacobin – don’t you have a goat waiting in your bed for you?”
Not even worth responding to such asinine drivel.