After union boss Sara Nelson and the Democratic chairman of the House Homeland Security committee called for Capitol rioters to be added to the nation’s “No Fly List” Delta Air Lines confirmed this was happening and so did the CEO of American.
One family that went to DC but says they didn’t participate in any of the riots, never entered the Capitol, and weren’t charged with anything didn’t get put on the no fly list but appears to have been added to a watch list and now gets manhandled every time they fly.
They had their home raided looking for Nancy Pelosi’s laptop. The FBI took their laptops, though ultimately returned to them (unusable), along with their copy of the U.S. constitution.
Now whenever they travel they get intense scrutiny.
“They went through every piece of clothing, every piece of paper, swabbed everything,” Paul said, of TSA at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport. After going through the full-body scanner, the couple were physically patted down.
Missing their first flight, they booked the next one available. When they arrived at the gate to board, TSA was waiting for them again, and went through all of their belongings once more.
The couple arrived in Seattle, but then missed their flight out of Seattle due to their Anchorage experience and also because they were turned away at the gate and forced to submit to TSA baggage and personal searches again, and yet again at the gate.
Everything in their bags touched once again by TSA, everything swabbed for traces of explosives, full-body pat-downs. Again, TSA was waiting for them at the jetway and went through all their possessions one last time.
For their flight home on July 5, after all the pat downs, scans, and checks, there was even a last surprise mobile TSA checkpoint placed halfway down the jetway to their plane in order to intercept them again to swab their carryons and for agents to interrogate them.
Living in Homer, Alaska the family can’t get many places without flying and most trips require a connection.
When their home was raided they were held at gunpoint, handcuffed, and not allowed to use the bathroom for hours. You might say ‘but they were at the Capitol on January 6th’ and if they were convicted of activities related to the riots that day I might not be sympathetic. But they haven’t been charged. Many people there were innocent of wrongdoing. And there doesn’t appear to be any reason to suspect they’re a threat to aviation. Indeed, they’ve flown successfully and their behavior on those flights proves it.
Remember that it’s precisely the rule of law we’re defending when coming out against what happened in DC that day. And violations of rights used against people who were there will be used against everyone else later when someone else is in power. Yet the Biden administration is considering adding even more Americans to No Fly and other watch lists.
Must be garbage day as a lot of the trash came out. But when you can Democrats, the smell usually goes away.
“And violations of rights used against people who were there will be used against everyone else later when someone else is in power.” You’re positing the situation as a violation of rights of people as to whom a federal judge made a determination of probable cause to believe that they participated in the assault on the US Capitol. As many have pointed out, there’s obviously more to the story.
Absolutely ZERO empathy for them – The mental anxiety, pain, suffering and desecration these clowns willfully imposed on our nations Capitol Building will NEVER BE FORGIVEN- They have earned every second of inconvenience and scrutiny predicated on their willfully ignorant Q-tRump activities. You lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas – Welcome to being accountable for your moral cowardice, support, interactions & participation in insurrection activities. – Life is tough – Get a helmet Q-tRump minion.
Political prisoners by any definition. Now, I might not say that if leftist protesters who burned cities, looted homes/businesses and assaulted people were treated the same way. But no, those (even more violent) criminals happen to be tools of the radical left and thus get a pass. Meanwhile, a bunch of unarmed idiots who were foolish enough to be goaded into entering the capitol building are being treated as if they are mass murderers, when the only murderer there was the capitol cop best known for forgetting his firearm in the toilet. This whole thing stinks to high heaven of political motives.
As an Alaskan I am sympathetic with this family. They are a well respected family in Homer who own a local lodge there. This was a complete overreach by the Govt. I hope they are able to sue. Funny how I don’t see any of the protesters who looted, burned and destroyed our cities last year being placed on a no fly list. I guess this only applies to conservatives.
@AlohaDaveKennedy
Dave, looks like the Chump Fools party got shit canned by Biden!
Franklin you’re ignorance astounds me. They weren’t and will never be charged with anything. They were at a rally. Maybe next time you will do some research before posting such left wing PC garbage. !!!
Cmorgan- I would bet they are not interested in shaaring with the public the reasons why a legal FBI search warrant was issued for their home and personal electronic property. Its obvious they have observable & confirmed connections to those who breached and stole property from offices in our US Capitol. FYI- In my specific geography there were several hundred rioters & looters who were tracked down, Charged convicted & jailed/fined utilizing videos, postings on Facebook & other social media resources, flea markets, etc selling stolen /looted property etc,,etc. Full disclosure- I was registered Republican since the day I was honorably discharged from six years of active military service in 1972 – I amended my party affiliation in September 2016 to INDEPENDENT.
Anyone who believes that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump to the point where they were willing to attend a rally to that effect are clearly not intelligent enough to follow instructions on an aircraft and, as such, pose a danger to other people.
@Franklin Souze
Frank, I am a bit older than you but I was also a Republican. Always voted straight GOP ticket. No more. I am now a proud independent. I would never vote for anyone like Chump, the biggest jerk on the planet, joining Putin, Kim and XI. Oh, and don’t forget Boisanaro of Brazil. Plenty of GOP jerks around now thanks to the genius Chump. Plenty of whining “Chump Fools” around.
As for the Alaskan folks. Going a long way to support a lying fool. Have to laugh at these stooges drinking Chumps Kool-Aid. Glad to see the FBI doing their job and other folks helping them. Build a seperate prison for the convicted and call it the Chump stooges prison. Build it in Death Valley.
Cmorgan,
Um….They may or may not ever be charged. A judge issuing a warrant to search is based on probable cause, not a conviction. Um….duh. And not being charged is a world away from never having done something wrong. It’s simply if it can be proven.
Your ignorance astounds me.
Actually….it doesn’t You’re a RepubliKKKan wing-nut. It’s in your DNA
Damn, sorry for talking science. Dems, you understood that
Franklin,
Just a suggestion. To you and the other Trumptards….. a quiz if you will.
Here are 8 “news” organizations. News in “” because some of them are pretend. That’sa hint…and the answer to the quiz.
ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, FOX, NEWSMAX,OAN, CNN
Of those above, 3….and only 3 used a defense in court while being sued(within this past year) for the false information in their broadcasts that went like this…
It isn’t our fault if our viewers are too stupid to know that what we’re telling them is pure bullsh*t.
This is a toughie so I’ll give you a hint…
It isn’t ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC or CNN
Another hint- one of the “news” organizations actually WON with that defense. Meaning, the court said…Yeah, their viewers are pretty stupid. Not guilty. The answer begins with an F and ends in X…but I don’t wanna give it away
Good luck.
Free vaccine to the first 100 winners! You’ll love it, I have 5g all the time now
Doesn’t surprise me leftists are happy with this – we all know they’re a bunch of Stalin wannabes anyway.
Joey,
That overly made-up orange dude you love thinks Putie and Kimmie are wonderful guys. Even has sexual desire to be with Kim, as he stated they have a love affair.
So there’s that… and correct me if I’m wrong….was Stalin some guy going around trying make sure the citizens of his country had univseral health care?
Yes, leftists are happy with this. The Jan 6th terrorists deserve any bad that comes to them. We’re about Law & Order. Like BLM…. we don’t want people being killed because their black. But we know the RepubliKKK and party loves that.
Luckily, we’re slowly editing you out of the gene pool(you’re in the shallow end) as our society becomes more educated. It’s why your guys have no choice but to find ways to make sure people can’t vote if they won’t vote for them. They can enjoy the moment. It won’t last
The people who “read the constitution” daily only care about their civil rights. Some of the best quotes come from somebody who states they didn’t have a right to come to Washington DC. Ryan’s comments are laughable as they expose a true hard leftist. He wants to screen air passengers for their political beliefs. If they do no align with him then they cannot fly. Because he has already profiled them as those who will not follow flight instructions. And the outrageous comments are not liberals. Those are the hardest leftists. There is a difference.
Roman –
Perhaps you can help me understand how & why you have concluded I am a Q-tRumplican -“tRuimptard” ?
Have you read my posts?
Good Grief man,, you need to do better!
@EVERYONE & Gary Leff
The name of this blog should be changed to: * VIEW FROM THE LEFT WING & THE RIGHT WING *
Man, oh man, what a bumpy flight this has turned into! Just sayin’…
Franklin,
Mea culpa mea culpa.
Got distracted while typing that and put down the wrong name.
Again, my sincerest apologies.
Thank you Roman – We are good sir..
As the inner cities burn and America swirls the toilet bowl.
Flying.While.High.Again,
That burning in the inner cities…..is Climate Change. I know. Hard not to notice,right?
Over 6000 records broken this week. Just in the US.
Not sure why you’re posting about Climate Change but….we’re glad to have another supporter.
Thank you for your support
The behavior of our government under the guise of January 6th has shattered my faith in our Constitution. The imprisonments of the hundreds of people whose only ‘crime’ was their presence in our Nations Capital is downright frightening and the fact that they are being held without being charged and without bail sounds more like Iran or the old Soviet Union. Whatever happened to Habeas Corpus? Where is the ACLU on all of this?
Peter Mac,
WTF are you talking about dummy? Those being held have been charged. Some have been released on bail, some have taken guilty pleas, others have not been released after being charged as they’re deemed still a threat.
Remember, they’re terrorists. American terrorists, but terrorists nonetheless.
Their only crime isn’t being in DC….it’s taking a tour of the Capitol that included trying to overthrow our gov’t, kill the VP, Speaker, et al… and destroying the Capitol building ( or the White House if you listen to the dunces as they broadcast their Youtube vids).
Some tour.
Roman Scott
Actually, that defense was first used by MSNBC a year earlier.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-court-ruled-rachel-maddows-viewers
I won’t hold my breath while you denounce MSNBC for being a Fake News operation.
Franklin Souze
“FYI- In my specific geography there were several hundred rioters & looters who were tracked down, Charged convicted & jailed/fined utilizing videos, postings on Facebook & other social media resources, flea markets, etc selling stolen /looted property etc,,etc.”
No. As of 6 days ago, 535 people have been charged, total. 300 remain unidentified. 13 have plead guilty to felonies, 9 to misdemeanors. Only one has been sentenced, to three years probation, no jail time. But never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-arrests-latest-2021-07-09/
C_M – Please try to catch up – the specific statement you detail was my response to cmorgans confusion & inaccurate statement regarding the BLM protestors & the criminal looters & rioters this past summer. Peaceful protests are a constitutional right. Shame on those who who attempt to leverage the willfully ignorant & subvert peaceful, legal & at times loud & inconvenient citizen actions by discriminating hate, lies, confusion & conspiracy theories.
C_M,
Let’s not forget that in the events during BLM protests, there’s actual footage right wing-nuts there to stir the pot and riot too. SO there’s that. If you saw unedited footage of those protest, better at a distance to get better context, you’d see nothing more than people standing protesting.
To be clear, the rioters, including the RWNs in there are criminals…. the Jan 6th terrorists… are worse.
Up next, coming right back to ya C_M
I wouldn’t want you holding your breath C_M. I’m not confident what it would smell like when you exhale.
I’m completely aware of the Rachel Maddow case the year before FOX. It was actually intentional I left it out. I was thinking I’d get a RWN responding back sooner but….I keep forgetting the intelligence level I’m dealing with.
SO for those just coming in, Rachel Maddow did use the …”it’s not my fault if my viewers are too stupid to know I’m lying” defense a year before FOX. Since then the 3 right-wing-nut cable channels(FOX, OAN, Newsmax) have all said, in court, their viewers are complete morons.
So what we have is…. ALL RWN news admits all of their viewers are complete idiots….1 out of 5 for the other side.
Ok, C_M, You WIN! I freely admit right wing-nuts have out-stupidded (this should be a word) us.
I have little sympathy for this family. Perhaps this is an overreach by the government, but what kind of moron takes a family to DC knowing what will be happening there. If they are truly that stupid, they should be checked every time they fly. They might be stupid enough to take someone else’s luggage for them, and we know how well that might end.
Roman Scott
Sure, you were just setting an elaborate trap. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
C_M,
When you said “elaborate” I, admittedly, did one of these(tilts head to the side like a puzzled dog).
Again, forgetting my audience. So yes, for you, elaborate.
For a Dem, it’s what we call…. like shooting MAGA hats in a barrel.
Roman Scott
I’d love to continue this battle of wits with you, but my code of honor doesn’t let me fight the unarmed. Good day.
That was wit? Too cute.
It’s like you’re the smart MAGAt(oxymoron?) Really. Too cute
Yes – Typical Q-tRump reaction, when confronted with easily accessible facts, truth and true perspective wrap your moral coward a**in your Q-tRump flag/ prayer towel and run. The MAGA lies, disinformation and Q conspiracy theories are are not a sustainable defense..
IMPORTANT NOTE/Please read:
The statement in the second paragraph as told to this author is NOT ACCURATE, “One family that went to DC but says they didn’t participate in any of the riots, never entered the Capitol, and weren’t charged with anything didn’t get put on the no fly list but appears to have been added to a watch list and now gets manhandled every time they fly.”
Specifically, “[it] appears [the family] have been added to a watch list and now gets manhandled every time they fly.” I spoke to my local FBI office. There is no such “watch list.” It is NOT a crime to have attended the Trump rally in DC. Again, there is NO such “watch list.” The only people who are being added to the “No Fly List” are those who breached the capital and/or have been charged with a crime.
catherine baker
I believe you are wrong. If you go to the TSA Traveler Redress page, there is the following note:
No Fly List
The No Fly List is a small subset of the U.S. government Terrorist Screening Database (also known as the terrorist watchlist) that contains the identity information of known or suspected terrorists. This database is maintained by the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center. For more information about the Terrorist Screening Database, visit the Terrorist Screening Center.
TSA is among the U.S. government agencies that screen individuals using information from the Terrorist Screening Database. TSA implements the No Fly List through its Secure Flight program. Individuals on the No Fly List are prevented from boarding an aircraft when flying within, to, from and over the United States.
Above that, there is this:
Learn more and apply for DHS TRIP to resolve travel-related issues if:
You are unable to print a boarding pass.
You are denied or delayed boarding a plane.
You are denied or delayed entry into and exit from the U.S. at a port of entry or border checkpoint.
You are continuously referred for additional screening at the airport.
What does all that mean? – There is something bigger than the No Fly List, the Terrorist Screening Database (also known as the terrorist watchlist) and TSA uses it to flag travelers. You are correct, it was not a crime to attend the Trump rally, but that doesn’t mean that names haven’t been added to the Terrorist Screening Database, which would trigger the sort of problems this family has run into. Not saying whether they should or shouldn’t be added, we don’t have the whole story, but the additional list does exist and it’s not unknown for the government to harassment people for anti-government activity, even if legal. If it were me, I’d be filing FOIA requests to find out if I was on the list and why (even if they wouldn’t tell me) and I’d be asking a friendly Congress member to enquire on my behalf as well.