Marriott hotels decide whether to honor Bonvoy elite benefits. If they choose not to, you can complain to Marriott. And usually the most they’ll do is refer you to the hotel, who will tell you to pound sand. One guest wasn’t going to accept that.
In my experience, Marriott customer service will make excuses for why whatever the hotel tells you is right.
Here’s a Marriott that says guaranteed late checkout doesn’t apply when they’re full.
Fairfield Inn in Dover, DE. Room cleanliness is a 4/10 and is over $400/night this weekend. I would describe this location and overall experience as sad. Lots of hair in the shower.
Overall is one step above motel quality. No housekeeping for a two night stay, but the “feel free to use this envelope for housekeeping tips” on the desk.
Instead of enforcing benefits like upgrades, Marriott took away their promise that elites would be upgraded to the best room at check-in. Hotels can still upgrade to suites, but if they don’t they aren’t doing anything wrong under the rules. They no longer need to play games like not cleaning suites until they’re booked for cash so that they technically aren’t ‘available’ when you check in.
Marriott has a cash guarantee that hotels will provide promised benefits, but since they also (1) come up with rationalizations for whatever a hotel chooses to do, program terms notwithstanding, and (2) defer to the hotel to manage responses to complaints, the guarantee can be hard to successfully claim in practice.
One customer shares their journey successfully claiming the money after a stay at the Marriott El Paso. The property refused to honor the elite choice of breakfast for two or 750 Bonvoy points – they claimed what they choose to offer is up to them.
- The hotels’s lounge was closed. They declared eligible elite guests would receive 750 points instead, and offering breakfast was “at the hotel’s discretion.” They chose not to do so. Here’s what the terms say, and note that this is separate from the choice benefit at check-in that should be offered as well.
When a Participating Property’s Lounge is closed, or property does not have a Lounge or approved alternative, the property will offer a daily continental breakfast in the restaurant for the Member plus one (1) guest, or Member can choose 750 Points per night of Stay.
- Complaining to Marriott, the guest got a response that the hotel was correct (!). Marriott contacted the hotel, which told them no breakfast was offered, and that was the chain’s final word on the matter.
- Complaining again, they found an agent who understood that the hotel wasn’t following program terms and opened a ‘case’.
I tried again and this second agent confirmed it is the guests’s choice. They asked to speak with the front desk. With the agent’s directive, I tried passing the phone to the front desk, who refused the call and said they were helping guests (This is after I’d lined up and waited to speak with them). I had put the phone on speakerphone and confirmed with corporate that the property staff is refusing to talk to corporate. A different associate overheard, ran over, and took the call.
- The case was closed concluding that the benefit was up to the hotel’s discretion. The guest re-opened the case.
- The case was closed again two days later, because the hotel denied the claim. he guest re-opened the case.
- Marriott responded that hotels honoring program terms is always ‘subject to availability.’ That is not what the terms say.
The complimentary breakfast benefit is at times unavailable. This benefit is subject to property participation. Some Marriott hotels do not participate in this benefit, do not offer a complimentary breakfast and do not have a concierge lounge.
- The hotel closed the case seven times generally without any response.
- Ultimately the hotel claimed that (1) they decide what benefits to offer; (2) they are a non-participating property and exempt from program terms [the terms specify what properties are non-participating and this one is not included]; (3) the hotel has no restaurant serving breakfast [false, and their restaurant is advertised on their website and in the Marriott app]; (4) a cloused lounge waives requirements; (5) they actually did offer breakfast but the guest chose points.
Credit: Marriott El Paso
After several weeks the hotel agreed to pay out the $100 – seemingly because the cost to them to keep closing the claim was becoming greater than $100. And when they agreed to pay they maintained they still weren’t required to do so, because they paid out the points and that’s all the guest was entitled to. Marriott El Paso, by the way, is owned by Columbia Sussex which has mostly mostly Marriott-branded properties in its portfolio.
Here’s what the terms say about the $100 cash guarantee, specifically for failing to honor the choice of benefits when a lounge is closed at a Marriott-branded property:
Pursuant to section 4.1.c., if Lounge Access (or alternatives or exceptions as outlined above) is not available, Platinum Elite Members will be compensated $100 U.S. dollars for the inconvenience. Participating Properties outside the United States will pay the equivalent in local currency. This guarantee is offered at the following brands: JW Marriott, Marriott Hotels, Delta Hotels, Autograph Collection Hotels and Renaissance Hotels.
Was it worth all this effort? Probably not for the $100. But it’s probably worth it for the subjective, psychic value gained vindicating the principle. And hotels will only honor program terms if enough guests take it so far. Here’s how the guest explained their decision to pursue the guarantee,
If you think this is excessive for some reheated eggs and overcooked sausage, you’re not wrong. But after a string of late checkout denials, housekeeping trying to barge in at 8 AM, barrage of garbage destination fees, [Nightly Upgrade Awards] never clearing paired with offered “discount upgrades” at check-in, and even stays with no hot water – it just adds up.
Credit: Marriott El Paso
The problem, since Marriott corporate sides with hotels and doesn’t champion guests, is that very few guests will go through more than $100 effort to claim $100 in compensation (and fewer still even know about the $100 guarantee at play here). Learning about the benefit and pursuing it is too costly a process. It amazes me we haven’t seen a class action lawsuit here.
Marriott’s CEO says they’ll put ‘net rooms growth’ on his tombstone and the strategy to accomplish this is making branding with Marriott easy for owners. Enforcing program terms on behalf of guests (who are not Marriott’s customers!) would run counter to this goal in the short term. Instead, the chain tries to make Bonvoy as inexpensive for owners as possible. Remember, you still pay resort and destination fees when redeeming rooms with points – something that Hilton and Hyatt do not do. It’s more money to the hotel, and less cost to the program.
In the long run, of course, failing to deliver a consistent guest experience – what Marriott used to be known for, prior to acquiring Starwood and launching the Bonvoy program – means that guests will no longer trust what they’re getting. The brand won’t stand for anything, and customers won’t start their planning at Marriott channels. When Marriott’s brand no longer delivers guests to owners, the chain will have nothing of value to offer to those owners and their business goes to zero.
@YoniPDX — Since you’re reppin’ Oregon, any word on that ‘new’ Ritz-Carlton in Portland? Like, is it worth anything? Thinking of a stay. After all, it’s a Ritz-Carlton, so no elite breakfast benefit…
Most Hotel owners do exactly what is required and nothing more.
The total decline we see in the industry is because no one forces them to do what is required.
Guests don’t want the hassle of complaining or suing. Staff don’t make enough to sue.
So they get away with treating you however they like because they know they can get away with it and tomorrow we have a whole new batch of sucker guests who will take Whatever we give them too
Brands are not going to help you as you are not their customer. You are what they sell to their customers… The owners and shareholders. They are all that matter now
If you want hospitality to be anything like it was in the past, you have to hold them accountable through the courts or by taking your business elsewhere.
You joined their club, then they lied and abused you. Why would you ever go back! Yo get more points for another crappy stay?
AC goes to Dunkin Donuts. Here’s the exchange:
AC: “Large coffee please.”
Coffee Dude: “Okay….here you go!”
AC: “Uh….this coffee is only half full, can you fill the cup up?”
Coffee Dude: “Hey man, don’t be such a Karen….things don’t always go your way. Next!”
@CHRIS — It’s all good, so long as @AC remembers to use his $7 monthly Amex Gold credit…
This is an owner issue but Marriott should do better to make their owners adhere to loyalty programs. If you want brand loyalty it is important experiences are consistent. The owner is very short sided because no one will want to stay at that hotel agaib or recommend it.
Move to Hyatt to stick it to Marriott. When a chain looks after guests, they get rewarded. Who gives a crap about how big you are now when you end up losing customers in the long run.
This Marriott brand is going on the same path as the airlines. Nickel and dime you on the price, and provide the least service possible and in a grudging manner. So, post COVID service and maximize profit is their game. So keep telling us who’s giving value!
I’ve got lifetime Gold with Marriott, thanks to decades of loyalty. For a long time, I stayed loyal because most properties recognized my loyalty, most of the time.
But a few years ago I started to see Marriott slipping. Published benefits not delivered became the norm instead of the exception. So I started moving my business to Hilton, Accor, and IHG. None of them are great, but Hilton mostly try, IHG try at higher end properties, and Accor seem genuinely pleased to see an elite a lot of the time.
I spent three nights in a Marriott property last year, using points a stay in London. Even as a Gold booked into a high tier room at a JW Marriott property, my room wasn’t ready at normal check-in time, no apologies were given, and my status, such as it is, wasn’t acknowledged.
Too bad Marriott won’t see the error of their ways until they’re spending real money to earn back customers.
I’ve been going to Marriott’s and Marriott’s only for the last 20 years and in and had no problems or very few in the last two or three years I’ve had the people who worked at two different Marriotts verbally abused me lied to me deny me benefits on the bonvoy program room not ready room they had told me was ready gave me another one after three times they told me that room was ready and I used to recommend them to everybody now I’m going to recommend them to everybody to stay away everybody stay away for at least 4 months and it’ll make them either collapse or change boy caught him now give them back what they give to you make them pay make them lose money and that’s the only way they’ll change unless you get the law in there to force them or a lawyer so don’t go to him let him lose money they’ll either go bankrupt or they’ll chain but the way they are they’ll probably be hard-headed give you a heck and go bankrupt they’re idiots
Marriott has plummeted in service over the past 4-5 years. I’m a high tier member and was loyal to them for years. Not anymore. It became clear that didn’t matter. And they did not care. Unprofessional, rude, lying, and lacking in customer service. They are the Hertz (the worst abd most expensive) of hotel chains! I spent way too much time and effort (like the guy in the article) fighting charges for two dangerous cars that were rented to me overseas. In my case the price tag was much bigger and the safety issue compounded it all. I submitted three disputes to platinum AMEX and Hertz kept denying. I kept at it and continued to provide evidence. Eventually the dispute was honored and I got my money back. If the company is awful, fraudulent and/or criminal, tbh, it can help to fall back on a CC with wraparound benefits. Plat AMEX is the only CC I reserve anything with anymore. Their annual fee is high but 99.9% of the time they side with me if I’ve got a case. It takes a lot of time and psychic energy though! All these companies seems to be the same. Sadly. Bottomline.
Why do people continue to stay at Marriott properties given the extreme adversarial games they so often play ?
Status is great until it isn’t.