Passenger Hurls Profanity At Mother Who Brought Her 2 Year Old In First Class: Should This Be Allowed?

A woman went online for the internet’s judgment on whether she was in the wrong to fly first class over Thanksgiving with her three year old. Another passenger tried to get them kicked out of first class before the flight even began, asked her to go back to coach during the flight, and hurled profanity at her at the end of the flight.

My husband, toddler (almost 3) and I were flying across the country for Thanksgiving. …My toddler has always been a good flyer and has flown a lot throughout her short life. We follow our pediatrician recommendation to give her a dose of baby Tylenol and gripe water 30 minutes before travel and she’s never been disruptive or cried on an airplane, this flight included.

..[W]hen another 1st class passenger saw us he started glaring. Shortly after he sat down a flight attendant came up and asked to see our boarding passes to make sure we were seated correctly. We showed her our boarding passes and she was like “cool, yall are good”. A few minutes later a second flight attendant came up and asked again to see our boarding passes. We showed them and again she was like “cool yall are good”.

…My kid fell asleep in the middle of coloring, husband is snoozing, I’m listening to music when I get a tap on my shoulder. It was the guy that glared at us as he boarded and before I could even get a word out he told me that children weren’t allowed in 1st class and that we needed to move to our “real” seats.

…The flight attendant came and explained to him that we were in the correct seats that we paid for and asked that he sit back down and not bother us again. He did go back to his seat but as we were getting off the plane he whispered to me that I was a [expletive deleted] and that he pays too much money for first class to be surrounded by children.

I’ve been really lucky. My daughter has been an amazing traveler and I’ve never drugged her for a flight like this woman did. Despite the interruption of the pandemic, she’s been to Paris a couple of times, Sydney a couple of times, Bora Bora and more. As a baby she was a great flyer – the plane was a giant white noise machine, she’d sleep, and we’d entertain her when she was awake (which wasn’t much of the flight). More recently she sits and plays games, plays with toys we bring, and watches shows. We’ve only ever had two flights with issues,

  • After a perfect flight from Sydney to Dallas at five months old, where passengers complimented us and a flight attendant described her as the best they’ve ever had, things went south for our short Dallas – Austin connection. I did get a couple of glares in first class. I wished they knew how well she’d done for the 15 hour flight.

  • On the return from her first of two trips to Hawaii, we were just over 20 minutes out from landing back in Austin. She threw a tantrum. Her version of it, though, was to show how made she was by threatening to take off her mask so the police would come get us. I tried so hard not to laugh because she wanted to be taken very seriously!

Several years ago Malaysia Airlines banned babies from first class. They don’t have first class anymore. I’ve found that travel in first class with an infant is great, but with a toddler business class is much better for helping and monitoring (British Airways first class is really business class in this regard).

My first thought hearing this woman’s Thanksgiving story is this was a domestic first class flight, not a private jet or the Etihad Residence. If this man “pays too much money for first class to be surrounded by children” then he’s… paying too much to sit there.

Ultimately children have a right to be on planes. Other passengers have a right to peace and quiet regardless of class of service. Sometimes those rights conflict, and we resolve them the best we can. Parents should come as prepared as possible to meet their child’s needs. When their child has an issue, the parents should address it.

The worst behavior I’ve seen has, more often than not, come about because the parents were acting badly.

  • I’ve seen parents just ‘check out’ on planes
  • And I’ve seen them send their kids running down the aisles.

When a young child threw a loud tantrum on a flight once, their parents argued with each other and ignored the screams and kicks. Another child ran into American Airlines first class on a Los Angeles – Washington Dulles flight and took my wife’s phone from her, wanting to play games on it. Once as I was about to lay down to sleep in Cathay first class on a Hong Kong – New York JFK flight, a young child’s parents sent him running back and forth down the aisle. It turns out his parents were readers of this blog.

It’s hard to travel with children, and that’s ok, traveling with children is an added responsibility for parents who usually rise to the occasion. And it’s when the parents don’t that the biggest issues arise. In contrast, when they’re visibly trying, other passengers will often give them much more patience and kindness.

On the other hand, some people (like the passenger described here) are just jerks.

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Comments

  1. Don’t have a problem with kids in 1st/Business as long as the parents keep them under control which IMO is the major issue. My kids were both gold status (sorry – not bragging!) by the time they were 5 and, ironically, the ONLY issue we had across dozens of flights was flying economy class when our 18 month old had an undetected ear infection… or he’d been spoilt previously!

  2. I have been on many flights with kids. Never a problem I couldn’t easily tolerate. Everybody is a kid for a while and needs care and patience. The obvious, practical solution would have been for this arrogant bastard to be moved all the way to the back. A reasonable action by the airline would be to sell him no more first class tickets since he has proven not to be a first class person.

  3. This is only based on my own personal experience, so take it for what it’s worth. I haven’t flown economy since I learned about miles & points back in 2014. Since then I’ve taken about 35 flights, all in business/first. The big difference I’ve noticed is that the kids who are up front, infants, toddlers, and children alike, is that they all seem to know how to behave. In the back of the plane, it can be a bit hit or miss.

    Now, I’m not saying that the type of person who would typically fly in first class is more or less likely to know how to properly parent their children. I’m not saying that people who fly in first class are generally more self aware of those around them and have enough sense of shame to do what is necessary to ensure that the people around them aren’t bothered. I say this because I’ve seen enough adults act out in first class who clearly got upgraded above their station. I will say that the only time I was seated next to an infant who SCREAMED the entire 2 1/2 hour flight, that was in the last row of economy. The mom was doing her best to calm him down and was clearly embarrassed about it, so I tried to think of a lighthearted comment I could make to help improve everyone’s mood, but at the moment I couldn’t think of anything that I could say that wouldn’t be misinterpreted as malicious, so I just kept my mouth shut.

    My point is, I’ve never had problems with kids in first class. Until that changes, I don’t mind that they share the space.

  4. Where was the husband in all of this, there is nothing in the story that he did or said anything. If any man said something to my wife like that, I would have provided consequences for him.

  5. Babies in international first class, do not belong there. It is entitled parents that think their child is an angel, who are the problem. Yes, many, many children handle flying very well. But in international first class, there is just too big a chance that a baby will cry for hours. Flying for babies is very stressful to their ears. Many parents do not come prepared with solutions for their babies ear pressure issues. Especially rich people who usually do not even take care of their children on a daily basis. I am always reminded when that nitwad, Casey Niestat, brought his 11 month old in first class to South Africa. On his Youtube channel, he bragged about his baby crying for the whole flight times of 2 flights. Is there any way, that I can make sure, that I am not on a flight with Casey Niestat’s family?

    Either way, the idiot who accosted this woman was totally wrong. It is people like him that ruin flying for the rest of us!

  6. I have absolutely no problem with kids in 1st or business class, as long as their parents handle any situations. Was in Lufthansa first. A family got upgraded. Child was perfectly fine the first 4 hours of the flight, and crying and screaming the last 4 hours.

    Recent trip in business. Megatop in a 747. Child screaming/crying most of the flight.

    In these cases, and other cases (movie theater, restaurant, etc). Pick the kid up and go “out” (in the case of a plane, the very back. People who spent $6000 or more for a one way ticket really don’t want to listen to your child screaming.

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