About Gary Leff

Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community InsideFlyer.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" by Conde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty. More About Gary »

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  1. You tell ’em, Gary. Your responses are well thought out and built on logic flows.

    Statists are going to state. Those brought up with the narrative of the annointed elite want to act as a 3rd party to intervene in the lives of private individuals with solutions forced upon them without consent.

    Keep up the good fight.

    This moral battle between reminds of this meme which is starting to trend:
    https://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3r37se/

  2. Reminds me of another limousine liberal who chastised those who own corporate jets, but shuttles himself around to play golf in a 747.

  3. You need to change the image for your blog. The picture should be of the right wing of a plane, not the left. 🙂

  4. Not enough excitement in the world of miles and points? Is this the equivalent of a slow summer news day for the 24/7 news channels that then has to resort to amusing political commentary about commentary to keep or generate an audience? 😀

  5. John,

    The plane is banking to the right. In another context that would be leaning starboard, but I think this is the result of being plain bored. 😀

  6. I do think airlines need to be careful not to be too elitist. Selling upgrades for $39 to regular ol’ folks rather than giving them all to elites all the time actually makes good business sense.

  7. There are circumstances where you may board through upper class on Virgin, especially if on the older A343s.

    It’s quite common to deplane through upper, however, before they get the 2nd air bridge sorted.

  8. @Woggly deplaning wasn’t what the author was talking about, rather they were talking about how things usually work.

    @others – if it’s right wing to suggest that everyone ought to have the opportunity to get better experiences, it would be left wing to suggest that ‘average folks’ ought not be able to. I’m not willing to buy that characterization.

  9. This is a solid post. Now more than any time in history, the average person has the opportunity to sit up front. Now more than any time in history, the premium cabins are truly premium. Yeah, you don’t just walk on to the plane and claim your upgrade anymore. Now you have to work at it a little, but with airlines and credit card issuers begging you to take their miles, I personally can’t imagine flying internationally and NOT being in a premium cabin. We can even go one step further and say you don’t actually need money to do it, either, thanks to the myriad opportunities to manufacture spending.

    I’m in my 30’s, but I don’t think I’d like the good old days. In the good old days, I probably wouldn’t ever be in the front cabin.

  10. This author may have a political bent but I think she is more in the mold of someone who just isnt very informed about air travel. She is just another flyer pining for the “good old days.” Of course, when one actually looks at the good old days they werent so good unless you were a wealthy white businessman.

  11. @Dan Right. Even if things were better or more equal on board in the “good old days” the operative term is ON BOARD. Who got to go on board in the good old days? It is a stretch to say that a middle class family of 4 could afford it.

  12. Back in 1960 my newly-married mom flew from London to Boston (r/t) on British Airways, then known as BOAC. Her coach ticket cost my father , a poor young enlisted man in the US Air Force, EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS, which, adjusted for today’s inflation, would be $6,247.65 in 2013.

    I’ll settle for a cramped coach seat and an unpleasant eight-hour flight at an affordable price, thank you.

  13. Gary, was a flippant remark done in jest. But it’s obvious to any regular reader of your blog that you favor small govt (TSA posts, criticism of federal worker travel priority, the FAA sequester series) and that you love capitalism (2 posts in 1week attacking criticism of segregated cabins).Mind you, there’s nothing wrong with your political outlook, but it does influence your writing.

  14. @DBest – Criticism of warrantless searches are a civil rights position. The FAA sequester discussion was budget analysis that proved to be correct. I have no problem with negotiated rates for federal workers in fact I think it is wise use of resources, I simply suggest that in the DC amrket is means that upgrade policies at United and Delta make in inadvisable for a non-federal worker to fly them since they won’t get nearly as many upgrades (as YCA fare silvers trump 1Ks on mid-priced fares).

    I certainly have a perspective that informs whatever topic I’m writing on, but I wouldn’t be so quick to pigeon-hole it (especially if that makes it easier for you to simply dismiss)…

  15. The author, an attorney who used to work for one of the founding executives of Virgin Atlantic,….
    The link leads to
    https://www.theawl.com/2013/08/jetblue-goes_first_class
    Maria Bustillos is a journalist and critic in Los Angeles.

    Seems to be a journalist not a lawyer ….

    I think “The author, once worked for an attorney who was one of the founding executives of Virgin Atlantic,….”

    Slightly different view about the authors origin…
    but I agree with you Gary, it is all about taking it away from those who get it.

  16. “if it’s right wing to suggest that everyone ought to have the opportunity to get better experiences, it would be left wing to suggest that ‘average folks’ ought not be able to. I’m not willing to buy that characterization”

    Well, I am willing to make it. A Russian American immigrant told me this joke, as an explanation of why he moved to the US:
    ……………
    A poor couple in Germany, living in a run down hovel, looked longingly at their neighbor’s mansion, and said: “If it takes us our whole lives, and we have to work our fingers to the bone, one day we will be as rich as you”.

    A poor couple in Russia, living in a run down hovel, looked disapprovingly at their neighbor’s mansion, and said: “If it takes us our whole lives, and we have to work our fingers to the bone, one day you will be as poor as us”.
    ………………….

    This rich=evil attitude is the spirit of the French and Soviet revolutions, who sent their “elites” to the guillotine and the gulags. And especially of the Khmer Rouge, who reduced the entire population of Cambodia to the level of medieval serfs. Resulting in the deaths of over 30% of the entire population. But at least no one was “rich” anymore. 🙁

    But it is also the spirit of the Occupy Wall Street movement, and found in recent political speeches:

    Hillary Clinton; “We are going to have to take some things away from you, for your own good”.
    President Obama: “At some point, you’ve made enough money”
    Everyone in the Climate Change religion: ‘You poor people in Africa and Asia can never have a Western lifestyle, because that would be bad for the planet'{sic}

    And no, conservative does not mean Republican. JFK, a Democrat who was considered Liberal in his day, but would be called conservative today, pointed out that “A rising tide raises all boats”. Using this logic, he reduced taxes for the wealthy, which jumpstarted the economy, and yes benefitted ordinary workers as much as it did the wealthy.

    Whereas the current “the rich have to pay their {continually increasing} fair share” ideology has created the worst unemployment, and underemployment, since the Great Depression. Hurting the young, and minorities, and especially young minorities, the worst.

    Frankly, I think calling conservative statements “Republican” or “Right Wing”, or invoking “Faux news” or “Limbaugh”, should be subject to Godwin’s Law.

  17. I think Gary summarizes it quite nicely here: “Stop to remember for a moment which way traffic flowed over the Berlin Wall. Misery may love company, but it loves a chance to escape misery even more.”.

    The underlying theme of the writer is jealousy – somebody has something (whether deserved, earned, or not) and the writer does not. If I can’t have it, neither can you. No one took anything from the writer, they just did not get what someone else has. Of course, the writer gets to ride on an airplane and does not have to walk, so they have something someone else does not…..

  18. The authors of these communistic manifestos are so delusional and out of touch with reality. Just 40 years ago (pre-1977 deregulation) air travel was prohibitively expensive for middle class families like mine. I didn’t take my first plane trip until I was 10 (a $32 intra-California flight on PSA) or my first transcon/international trip until I was 21 (and then only for a semester abroad). Nobody was upgraded to F because AA didn’t introduce AAdvantage until 1982. Yes the seats and food were a -little- nicer but your flight cost was far more expensive in real $$ than it is today. Thanks to deregulation air travel is mass transportation now and accessible to the vast majority of Americans.

    These authors also conveniently ignore introduction of E+ seating – now standard on all legacy USA carriers – which provides far more legroom than the old coach section. And finally as you note there are alternatives for those who prefer egalitarian seating – WN and B6 come to mind, and I know there are others including many in Europe.

    Yes, it sucks that there is a race to the bottom in airline seating and service, but this is an industry that has never been profitable, so change is needed. And competition will eventually bring better options, just as it has for telephone communications, etc.

  19. Robert — both the French and Russian revolutions were maelstroms of chaos in which no one was safe from the guillotine/gulag/show trials, rich or poor.

    Gary — I’m strongly left of center, and I LOVE when you do these posts. America is about equality of access and equality of opportunity. I, as a flamin’ liberal public schoolteacher, get to sit in first class sometimes even as a lowly Delta elite. This is far, far more fair than the old system, in which I would be taking buses.

  20. “both the French and Russian revolutions were maelstroms of chaos in which no one was safe from the guillotine/gulag/show trials, rich or poor”

    maelstroms of chaos ?

    Sorry, I just don’t care for this Orwellian tendency to mis-label things to obscure the actual facts. The Fort Hood terrorist attack is being called “workplace violence”, the Embassy evacuations are being called “reductions in staffing”, and the bombings in Libya were nor called warfare, but “kinetic actions”.

    Leftist revolutions, based on an ideology of class warfare, do not cease to be that when the violence spirals out of control. The rallying call of the French Revolution was not ‘viva chaos and anarchy’, it was “equality and fraternity”.

    The fact that all leftist revolutions end up violently purging many of the original leaders does not change the fact that the underlying ideology is the elimination of privilege. Nor that they all ultimately descend into random mass murder, as the new revolutionary elites seek to maintain control thru oppression and outright terror.

  21. I still don’t see why people traveling in C or F feel superior. You just pay more, whether it may be revenue or miles (unlimited domestic upgrades are not available for people living in Europe and flying with european carriers)… to get a different product. What’s the big deal ?

  22. Well, that’s the point. People traveling in C or F {don’t} feel superior. They just feel more comfortable. An advantage which some are willing or able to pay more for, and others are not. It’s the ‘everyone must be equal in result, rather in opportunity’, folks who try to make it a big deal.

  23. “maelstroms of chaos ?

    Sorry, I just don’t care for this Orwellian tendency to mis-label things to obscure the actual facts.”

    Robert – I also find the current trend to carefully rewrite history to be destructive. However, there is no mislabeling going on there. The French and Russian revolutions can be correctly described as “maelstroms of chaos.” Your critique, that both began in an “ideology of class warfare,” is true, but does not negate the fact that both eventually turned into maelstroms of chaos.

    In general, I’m not fond of either “side” turning a critique of the implications of first class air travel into a political discussion, but let’s at least keep our terminology straight.

    IMHO, first class is actually less “special” compared to coach than in the olden days. The reason we think of coach as being so bad isn’t because first class is so good, but because we’ve gotten fatter, making the coach cabin seem smaller.

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