In addition to welcoming foreign visitors coming from previously-banned countries and imposing a new vaccination requirement on non-residents entering the U.S. by air (with exceptions) there are new rules for unvaccinated Americans returning to the U.S.
- Vaccinated Americans still have to present a negative Covid-19 test taken within 3 days prior to travel. Children of vaccinated Americans are exempt from more onerous the testing requirement.
- Those with documented recent prior infection (positive COVID-19 test within the past 90 days and letter from healthcare provider clearing you to travel) remain exempt. It’s the only place where prior infection appears to be recognized by the U.S. health establishment. And it’s recognized as better than vaccination for this purpose.
- But unvaccinated American residents will have to test no more than one day prior to departure.
- Children under 18 don’t have to be vaccinated. They do have to test. And when they have to test depends on their parents’ vaccination status.
- Children aged 2-17 traveling with an unvaccinated adult are required to test within one day of travel. Children traveling with a vaccinated adult can test within 3 days of travel.
Many testing facilities will not perform tests on children under 5, or under 3. Even with the Delta variant children remain less likely to get and spread the virus compared to adults. And an antigen test three days prior to travel tells you very little about current infectious on the day of travel in any case (let alone about carrying the virus but not yet being infectious).
Antigen tests are good for determining current infectiousness, while PCR tests determine viral load in the body (including both pre- and post-infectiousness). Antigen tests are allowed for travel because,
- They’re faster and more convenient
- The testing requirement doesn’t protect the U.S. against spread of the virus, both because of the tests accepted and because the introduction of marginally more people with the virus doesn’t change the course of the pandemic at this point (especially given the levels of immunity in the United States, even though it may not have ultimately mattered given U.S. strategy earlier on).
- It also doesn’t protect against introduction of new variants, land border crossings don’t have the same regime and even Australia saw the introduction of Delta. In any case the virus mutates in a similar fashion around the world so as long as it remains highly pervasive.
The closer-in testing requirement for children traveling with unvaccinated adults is pretty clearly punitive. Like the pending OSHA rule for large employers (announced September 9th, still not issued, yet was ‘urgent’). It’s meant to make life more difficult for unvaccinated people so they’ll get vaccinated.
Some of you might say ‘but a child traveling with someone unvaccinated is more likely to be infectious on the precise day prior to travel than they would be three days prior to travel’ but this isn’t mathematically compelling, and certainly not based on any plausible public health theory about saving lives and preventing the overwhelming of hospitals.
I’m 100% sympathetic to vaccines. I was vaccinated and I’ve gotten my booster shot. The success of the mRNA vaccines especially is truly remarkable. But the policies promulgated aren’t about the science.
Otherwise the U.S. would recognize immunity from prior infection and a single dose of an mRNA vaccine, as is recommended commonly in Europe if it’s going to recognize two doses of Sinovac’s Coronavac vaccine which was claimed to be 51% effective against symptomatic disease pre-Delta and which the World Health Organization says has no evidence of reduced infection or transmission. I mean, for 9 months of the Biden administration unvaccinated Russians and Peruvians who have tested negative have been fine, but as case loads fall in the U.S. those who received the Sputnik vaccine aren’t welcome a single J&J dose counts (when many experts on FDA and CDC advisory panels were reluctant to approve a second J&J dose rather than an mRNA booster even).
If you want to argue that life should be made more difficult for the unvaccinated using whatever limited levers are available to the Administration then make that argument but don’t dress up U.S. policy as guided by science.
Wanting to see more people vaxxed is unquestionably a good thing, but remember the huge miss for this administration I wrote about back in March that the stimulus bill should have tied $1400 payments to vaccination, but they thought they could win votes handing out no-strings checks. Now they’re left with sticks rather than carrots, but you’d think they’d allow those fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine within the past 6 months, or boosted, to skip testing the way that those recently-recovered can do.
In your second to last paragraph, you’re essentially asking politicians to not…well…be political.
I’m someone who wants you to give it to me straight, but you have to recognize, in today’s polarized world, individuals are going to have to think about political realities as well (particularly in the age where everything is an opinion).
Who need scientists when we can have a blogger to tell people what is mathematically “compelling” in pandemic controll.
lol
Aw, gee. Unvaccinated Muffy will be so put out.
From bulletpoint 1: “Children of vaccinated Americans are exempt from the testing requirement.”
From bulletpoint 3: “Children under 18 don’t have to be vaccinated. They do have to test.”
Uh, what?
PCR tests cannot determine viral load in plasma, only in the nasal cavity, which is a surrogate for what really matters which is plasma.
Also the quantification is not routine.
They can determine cycle threshold but the clinical relevance and interpretation isn’t perfect. Also not all machines run CT values. . With all due respect I suggest you stick to travel and not science.
I agree with many things you say but I don’t think it’s fair to say this is your area of expertise.
We would be months past COVID being a significant factor in everyday life if people had got vaccinated when they had the opportunity. Those who refuse to get vaccinated are prolonging the misery. I favor every action to encourage vaccination, whether it’s job mandates, $5,000 checks, or travel rules. It is not and never has been anyone’s right to spread a deadly disease.
So I’m vaccinated, still got Covid, could still spread it. I can also get it again. I personally know a guy who is vaccinated and got Covid 3 times. Tell me what is the point to being vaccinated other than government control. It doesn’t prevent you from getting it, it doesn’t stop you from spreading it. So what does it do lessen Your personal symptoms? if so, it should be my choice to be vaccinated or not and unvaccinated should not be treated a 3rd class human beings. If your worried that they will get sick enough to require hospitalization, then require US bound travelers to buy Covid insurance. (I’m heading to Ukraine, they require Covid insurance, no big deal). Masks are a joke, they will not prevent you from getting or giving the virus. There is NO credible science backing any mandates regarding Covid. Anyone who listens to anything Faucci (the liar) says is a ignorant sheep. My 02, which you probably will remove from here.
100% this:
“I’m 100% sympathetic to vaccines. I was vaccinated and I’ve gotten my booster shot. The success of the mRNA vaccines especially is truly remarkable. But the policies promulgated aren’t about the science.”
Could not possibly agree more. Was first in line to get vaccinated, personally not in a super high risk group, but figured the benefits outweighed any slight potential risk. Didn’t hesitate to get a booster. Absolutely amazed by the science and so thankful to be living in a time and place where this type of discovery and breakthrough is possible.
All that being said, these policies simply aren’t about the science. There’s absolutely no scientific reason that a child 2-17 who is traveling with a vaccinated adult should have a different test schedule requirement than one traveling with an unvaccinated adult. Those who attempt to perform the mental gymnastics to justify it are further playing amateur politics, with absolutely no basis in science.
I can agree with you on one point, the Biden Administration, many in government and most Democrats and some Republicans tend to use the settled science terminology interchangeably with real proven science. When there are different scientific opinions and the situation can’t be repeated with the same results, the science isn’t settled. What may be settled is an opinion but that is it. As far as government coercing people to take a vaccine well they do this all the time with positive benefits for compliance with desired regulation but they’ve gone many steps too far with forcing often very negative consequences on folks that for their own good reasons choose not to take the treatment of choice for the establishment. You point out well that natural immunity should be recognized…now if anything is science that is because it works and has been proven to work far better than any of the available vaccines. Will we have to determine just how well this works…sure but research out of the UK prompted by increasing caseloads and deaths despite vaccination shows disturbing trends including some that show that the immune system performance at large is peeled away rapidly among the vaccinated….especially in the age groups above 30 but even in the young. Science will figure these things out but there will be a high price to pay for those that have been so forceful with the mandates and the concept of making it difficult for folks to do normal activity just because they haven’t taken the current medicine of the day.
About time!
GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?
Covid testing requirement for international travel does not make any sense for a country as large as USA and with so many cases around. This is simply a knee jerk reaction of bureaucrats “to do something” and to show that they are in charge. You can close borders, restrict travel within muchj smaller country – Australia (1/13 of US population) and still have sizable Covid.
Right now Australia with ca. 61% vaccination rate is having about 50% of new Covid cases per capita vs. US. At the same time India got over Delta variant with ca. 30% vaccination rate today.
Still ain’t getting it lol.
“you’d think they’d allow those fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine within the past 6 months, or boosted, to skip testing”
Because the ‘vaccine’ isn’t really a vaccine. How many times do we have to teach you this old man!
mrna vaccine trials have been failing for almost a decade and you think they just suddenly got it right? 100% about money. You are being governed by big pharma.
@ Chris G. The Covid vaccine kept you and your friend out of the hospital. Soooo….the hospital was able to help people with heart attacks, hurt in car wrecks, who had strokes, suffered broken bones……Thank you.
Awesome decision and should have happened much sooner. That’s two days fewer chance that unvaccinated people will be carrying the virus. That’s got to help incrementally. And yes, making life more difficult for the unvaccinated is an added benefit. Now just remove the testing requirement altogether for vaccinated Americans returning home
Unbelievable given they’ve actively promoted the 2 Million illegal alien crisis on the southern border, not being tested?
Biden and Kamala I recall were also actively touring they wouldn’t take the Trump vaccine, that all changed 180 degrees when they found themselves in office.
I had Covid so have the antibodies, I only had the vax to get into Aus, I say let and let live. Get it if you want to reduce the chances of hospitalization. and death.
The Fed gov mandates are going to tear this country apart, the heroes of last year are now being told they’ve lost their job if they don’t have the jab. The doctors, nurses. police, firefighters, EMS, etc
Vax should be encouraged, but needs to be 100% choice.
Throughout the 2020 presidential campaign we heard Biden announcing that “I follow the science”. Unfortunately we have discovered that the science was following the politics. Nuff said about that
I am very happy to finally see the tacit acknowledgment of Natural Immunity, it’s overdue! I had Covid, was hospitalized but obviously survived, along with 98% of the others who were affected. I was frustrated and tired of not being acknowledged as having the immunity which we are now finding out is significantly better than the Vax. We’ve been treated like 2 nd class citizens and virtue shamed because we believed that we already had protection but we’re being shunned because we didn’t/wouldn’t take the Vax.
Hope this acknowledgment spreads as rapidly as did Covid
I don’t agree with some of what you wrote here, but all-in-all a good article. I did read yesterday that unvaxed citizens will also need to test again upon re-entry. Not sure if that’s true or not.
Is this a way to tighten the screws on the unvaxed? You bet. YAY!
For those thinking natural immunity is better than vaxed. Hardly. One big difference is….in order to get natural immunity, you first need to contract Covid…..and survive it. Over 5 million people worldwide won’t be seeing if they have natural immunity(734k in the US). Now add the numbers piling up of people with severe long-term effects from having Covid. While you can still get Covid despite being vaxed, the stats are overwhelming showing vax protection from severe disease, hospitalization and dying. It’s not remotely close.
Add- There has never…..never been a case(large scale, like a country) where herd immunity was obtained relying on infection and recovery. Never.
While most of the measures are supported scientifically, it really is now a plan to keep things rolling while taking safety measures, some make more sense, some less. I’m vaxed and good with needing a test 3 days before. I’ve been out of the country twice and it was a breeze.
Chris Garby,
I’m vaxed, my family is vaxed, my extended family is vaxed….all except for 3. Guess who got Covid? Ok, 1 vaxed got it too. Asymptomatic. 2 of unvaxed hospitalized but thankfully out of the hospital. 1 of them still not back to work 4 months later because of effects from Covid preventing her from doing so.
What do my stories and your stories mean?…..nothing. If they did then I win since I have more people in my SEE! report. Science depends on studying 10s of 1000s of people to come up with answers, can even then be wrong…..or right
btw- Literally every statement you made regarding Covid, vaxes, masks etc….is wrong.
That’s some feat.
It just amazes me that the anti vaxxers would rather take the risk of wounding up spending weeks and months near death in a hospital. Yes the vaccine is not a cure, (just like the flu shot), but as a vaccine recipient I have a less than 5% chance of experiencing the same situation. Where’s the logic?
Just say you are an immigrant. The CDC order specifically carves out immigrants and allows for them to enter unvax’d.
Coming from areas of 20% positivity rates and they are the ones allowed in.
Science?
I mean seriously wtf, the hypocrisy can’t get any worse, can it? All you can do is laugh, there is no logic left in this world.
Let us outsiders continue to watch the USA implode.
Hopefully without consequence to the rest of the world.
I’m all for it too! The sooner this administration and their party piss off more people, the sooner people will vote their sorry asses out of office. You would be hard pressed to identify one thing that has gotten better since this clown has taken office.
Let the new segregation begin. Seeing how minority vaccination rates are much lower than white people they are going to be the ones most affected by this new segregation. All hail supreme leader Brandon
Un-vaccinated adults (without a legitimate and certified medical exemption) should not be allowed to get on a plane at all (or do much else that mixes them with responsible folks). Policy is far too lenient.
No jabs, no use of any public transportation or other public facilities. No exceptions. Morons are gonna act up anyway, stop coddling them and making exceptions and excuses for their childish, selfish behavior.
I don’t see this policy achieving its partial goal of getting more people vaccinated (which is a good goal). I’d venture a guess that most Americans who will travel out of the country are likely to be vaccinated to begin with. The <1 day, vice 3 days for vaxxed, threshold for testing to return to the US is supposed to be more onerous…but in the countries where the vast majority of US leisure travelers visit, rapid testing is readily available and usually cheap – this isn't going to be a real deterrent to the unvaxxed. The testing on return for unvaccinated is also not a real hardship and unlikely to be enforced anyway. There may be some small number of unvaxxed for whom all of this is the little push they need to get the shot before travel…but it's going to be miniscule in the grand scheme of things.
Public health measures are a mix of science and the social science — particularly behavioral science in the latter case. I’m sure that some more people will get vaccinated because of this kind of travel requirement and some people may travel less (or less quickly) because of it. Either way, seems like an arguably good public health measure rooted in the sciences.
Gary-
What do you think about bringing my dog into a first class cabin? He’s been vaccinated-for rabies, but not COVID.
You folks who think people should lose jobs, traveling privileges, or even stimmy checks are absolutely cruel.
Never before has a rabid group of US politicians have tried so hard to take over control of our lives.
Btw Gary – before proclaiming how great vaccines are, give it at least a few years so we can see for ourselves what the side effects are (e.g. – myocarditis, death, etc)
Long live 1vermectin and any other drug that gives big Pharma the middle finger.
To all the anti-vaxx, knuckle-dragging, simpering Trumpist morons out there: yes — please, please, please DO keep guzzling that 1vermectin and other quack poisons you love to embrace. More please. That will eventually get us out of the pandemic, though not fast enough. But we will all enjoy much better lives as a side-effect of the demographic shift that results. Darwinism at its best.
@als
With that logic then we should mandate everyone to get a flu vaccine every year. Do you know how many people take up doctors time and hospital space because of the flu every year? It’s not trivial.
I’m not saying Covid and the flu are the same.
I also say this as someone who is fully vaccinated and supports vaccines in general and can’t understand anti-vaxxers.
But there is a valid point that many people like @Chris Garby have. The point of vaccines is to protect the individual getting it. The people most at risk from not being vaccinated are the unvaccinated themselves. Secondarily are the people they may crowd out of hospitals.
So by forcing people to be vaccinated against their will, you are saying that indirectly improving a potential person’s medical care trumps a persons freedom over their body. That’s a very slippery slope.
@Dick
i can recall not too long ago before the past election Brandon and Kamala telling all not to take the Trump vaccine? they said they didn’t trust Trump, nothing to do with FDA, and pharma companies.
proof that it really is a political issue.
like when you see all those folk driving in their cars by themselves all masked up? that’s not based on science.
if you don’t want it, and want to mitigate if you do get it, get vaxxed, isn’t it that simple?
why impose it upon others, if they don’t want to? we know vaxxed can carry and infect others in any case.
Thus far the Biden administration has shown restraint in vaccine requirements, at least insofar as the they relate to travel.
A more robust approach would [and should] include a vaccine requirement for boarding a passenger airliner, with a testing option for those who are unable to take the vaccine for documented medical reasons, and for those who are ineligible due to age.
No vaccine = no commercial air travel. The deliberately unvaccinated have options including driving or chartering air service.
It’s a misconception that vaccination status is a proxy for covid risk. The two are different things.
As an unvaccinated tourist, even if I could prove with 100% certainty that I don’t have Covid, a country shouldn’t let me in. I might well catch covid there and I am another body ready to burden the healthcare service.
Being vaccinated is proof that I am far less likely to become that burden. In a country with endemic Covid and high vaccination rates, that is actually more important than whether or not I may be carrying Covid.
Tim O’Brien
Sorry to see you’re way behind on your Covid news. First, nobody said don’t take the vax while ….they call him ‘Don the Dunce’ was prez…..they said don’t take it unless you were told to by the respected scientists and doctors working on it. Because, really….who would be stupid enough to believe anything the orange dude recommended? He is the one who said Hyroxy was a good option.
2nd- If you’d read recently, you’d know science is piling up that vaxed can get Covid but experience FAR fewer negative effects, FAR less likely to die and are FAR less contagious. While an infected vaxed person can transmit the virus, that virus seems to be, my words, deactivated in large part.
Scientists still don’t know why this is but those experiments are under way.
So I know you’ll rest soundly knowing the science to get vaxed is there to back you up
@ Kuloko
FYI Australia is roughly the same size as the USA (albeit with a significantly smaller population as you point out).
The COVID measures adopted in Australia have maintained mortality rates 50 times lower than those of the USA over the duration of the pandemic. In some states, such as Queensland and West Australia (health care is managed on a state by state basis), the death rates are 700 times lower than the in the USA.
Three times more people have died in the USA than the whole population of the “state” of the Northern Territory.
COVID (including the Delta VOC) is still virtually absent in most states / territories (QLD, NT, WA, SA, TAS).
The Australian vaccine roll out program had a delayed and shaky start and kicked off a lot later than that in the USA, but now national vaccination rates outstrip those of the USA and are exceptionally high in some states / territories (93.3% first dose and 86% second dose in NSW counted as over 16s).
Current daily COVID case rates are partly a reflection of a relaxation of control measures the states and NSW and VIC on the one hand and rising vaccination rates on the other attain – case rates are falling in both states.
The booster doses of vaccine (Pfizer for all) have now been approved and will start to be rolled out in 10 days time to anyone over 18 years old who had their first shot more than 6 months ago.
Oh, and current mortality COVID rate in the USA is 1733 per day compared with 15 per day in Australia (seven day averaged data) – factoring in the difference in population size (using your 13 times more folk live in the USA than Australia the equivalent mortality in Australia would be 13×15=195) – the USA COVID daily mortality rate is currently 9 times worse than that of Australia.
Be well – travel safe.
Brandon is making it hard for all American families in all aspects of life.
@DaveS….so this includes you because just because yo are vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t spread or get this virus…and don’t try the line that nobody who is vaccinated gets
it bad….there are now large studies coming out of UK and Ireland because vaccinated people are getting very sick and spreading the virus too!
@Tim O’Brian…right on, I do remember all the left wing nut jobs and Never Trumpers saying that….it’s the same vaccine you know so now these people are promoting Trump’s vaccine…good one!
@ Dick Bupkiss, you have no clue about Ivermectin…the rest of the world uses it OTC, human formulation and it is a very effective medicine that stops viral replication and so yes it works early on and also within several days of having a high temperature. You do need to feed your body with Vitamin C too.
@Mark Rascio
I read that Uk/Ireland too. I suggest you read THE ENTIRE STORY. It’s all about percentages of the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated. Typical tRumper cherry picking facts.
@Ben How about when you need to be treated due to a stroke – and timely stroke treatment is the most important detail…and an ambulance is not available and when you get to the ER no Doc is available …all due to people unvaccinated by choice who now have Covid19 and wish to be treated…..
I am saying that mandating Covid vaccine trumps someones personal choices when they want to be served by the system and society we live in. If you don’t want the Covid vaccine its fine as long as you’re willing to wait in line behind me at the ER and the ICU.
@MIAZiggy…well if you read it you’d know that the real story is that vaccinated individuals are experiencing substantial auto immune deficiency. This is not a good sign and appears connected to the vaccines since the same is not occurring in unvaccinated individuals. As far as percentages go, when there are such a small number of unvaccinated left and virtually all the cases now are vaccinated and not just suffering mildly nuance they are hospitalized even the lock step Biden supporters might want to start paying attention
I wasn’t going to comment on this article since it deals with COVID-19 Testing, which I’m totally in favor of, subject to conditions of Accuracy, Speed, and Convenience; but, it seems as if the underlying issue of vaccinated vs. NON-vaccinated keeps surfacing, and with some grossly *wrong* information, so let’s look at some *Current* and *Real* UK-furnished COVID-19 Data that has been comprehensively organized into decadal age groups from >> in point of fact there were 2411 ER/ICU instances (36.4%) for those who were NON-vaccinated vs 4206 instances (63.6%) for those who were vaccinated, so those who were vaccinated actually “hogged” up to almost 1.8X as much resources as those who were NON-vaccinated!.
#2. The NON-vaccinated comprise the vast majority of those who die from COVID-19, so getting vaccinated absolutely saves lives –>>> in point of fact there were 752 instances of death (20.7%) for those who were NON-vaccinated vs 2880 instances of death (79.3%) for those who were vaccinated, so those who were vaccinated actually “died” up to 3.8X more often than those who were NON-vaccinated! Of concern, the percentage during August, 2021 for vaccinated deaths vs. NON-vaccinated deaths was 74%, so UK has seen a 5% increase to 79.3% for September, 2021 — clearly trending in the *wrong* direction!
#3. Vaccines by definition confer stronger and longer lasting immunity protection than Natural Immunity (if that even exists) –>>> Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world and has basically relied on Pfizer/BioNTech as their national vaccine of use. Yet they’re now mandating that everyone must go and get their 4th jab (after their initial 2 jabs plus a 3rd booster jab) due to severely declining vaccine efficacy over time (eg, 4-8 months)! Interestingly, a recent research report, also from Israel, revealed that Natural Immunity had been observed to confer 27X *stronger* and *longer lasting* protections against COVID-19 than any of the existing vaccines could!
With regards to a vaccine mandate, as we’ve already observed nationwide, that has already been proven to be a *huge* mistake, as witness the *total* breakdowns of so many of our service industry sectors that have already enforced that totally *Detrimental* act that, as I’ve shown above with *Real* scientific data from UK, actually accomplishes nothing beneficial (*more* vaccinated people now die of COVID-19 than those who are NON-vaccinated)!
So we now have front line health care workers getting fired or quitting in droves to further exacerbate already insufficient numbers of such workers. Some hospitals have had to close down due to lack of operational staff after enforcing that mandate! Similarly, our now insufficiently available pool of supply chain workers (warehouses/docks as well as truckers), after firings and so many voluntary departures, are now in jeopardy of crashing our national economy, causing serious shortages and inflated prices everywhere! We’ve also read/heard/experienced the impacts of shortages with staff at various airlines, resulting in cancellations of thousands of flights, right? And to top it all off, our military, as well as our most critical government workers on national security, have been, or will soon be, decimated as well … all this in the face of ever rising military and technological prowess by China and Russia (witness their successful hypersonic missile tests recently vs our own recurring failures)! Can someone please explain exactly *How* such a *Self-Inflicted* and *Destructive* vaccine mandate benefits our country and national security? If someone makes a personal choice to get vaccinated, then great! But to so blindly coerce such a policy upon our populace, without regards for extenuating circumstances, will only invite huge catastrophes on a national scale!
To those who claim that *No* exemptions should be made regarding coercion of such a mandate upon our public, let me just say that you all are making such claims based upon your own *Self-Centered and Selfish Disregard* for the Human and Constitutional Rights of those who are, for medical reasons, *Not* able to *Safely* get their jabs (you all can go and argue separately about religious exemptions)! *Absolute* and *Total Shame* on all of you!
I have a close friend and former work colleague with a medical condition where getting jabbed will physically *Kill* him! So now employers that coerce *No* exemptions can go and fire those who can *Not* get jabbed *Safely,* thus *Killing* them, anyway, by depriving them of their livelihoods as well as company-sponsored medical insurance coverages — are we still living in USA? Or what has USA become, to be *So Inhumane* to its handicapped and medically disadvantaged? Has this once esteemed nation lost its *Soul*? What if it were, heaven forbid, *your* own family members who get so adversely impacted?
Somehow the posting process disappeared a portion of my first paragraph and more, so I’ll try to reconstruct those below —
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I wasn’t going to comment on this article since it deals with COVID-19 Testing, which I’m totally in favor of, subject to conditions of Accuracy, Speed, and Convenience; but, it seems as if the underlying issue of vaccinated vs. NON-vaccinated keeps surfacing, and with some grossly *wrong* information, so let’s look at some *Current* and *Real* UK-furnished COVID-19 Data that has been comprehensively organized into decadal age groups from >> in point of fact there were 2411 ER/ICU instances (36.4%) for those who were NON-vaccinated vs 4206 instances (63.6%) for those who were vaccinated, so those who were vaccinated actually “hogged” up to almost 1.8X as much resources as those who were NON-vaccinated!
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The posting process once again disappeared what appears to be the same portion of my first paragraph and more, so I’ll try one more time to reconstruct those below in a different manner … there’s a *Very Serious* bug with this posting system!
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I wasn’t going to comment on this article since it deals with COVID-19 Testing, which I’m totally in favor of, subject to conditions of Accuracy, Speed, and Convenience; but, it seems as if the underlying issue of vaccinated vs. NON-vaccinated keeps surfacing, and with some grossly *wrong* information, so let’s look at some *Current* and *Real* UK-furnished COVID-19 Data that has been comprehensively organized into decadal age groups from less than 18 to 80+, along with those who are NON-vaccinated vs those who are in various stages of getting fully vaccinated, as presented in their COVID-19 Week 40 Surveillance Report.
Some offending claims made by others include —
#1. The NON-vaccinated unnecessarily “hog” critical hospital resources that could have been allocated to treat other ailments —
In point of fact there were 2411 ER/ICU instances (36.4%) for those who were NON-vaccinated vs 4206 instances (63.6%) for those who were vaccinated, so those who were vaccinated actually “hogged” up to almost 1.8X as much resources as those who were NON-vaccinated!
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Came by for the ramblings of the crazies…. Left satisfied.
Trumpers. Y”all so funny. So cute with your self-centered views, gripping your horse paste and outlying theories.
Still fighting battles from two years ago, even of it means doing so behind bodies that keep piling up.
Here’s some in memoriams of folks who also thought vaccines and masks were dumb:
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
Get it? You are freakin’ comic relief for the rest of us!
Keep it up. It’s cool. After all DeSantis won Florida by only 33,000 votes. And y’all lost 58,000 to covid deaths in Florida so far.
Less vax for you, more votes go blue. ‘Cause the red votes is dead, Fred.
We really don’t give a rats ass if y”all get vaxed. We just don’t want your Typhoid Mary ignorant ass around bothering the adults when they are talking.
I hear “Truth Social” is a nice place for you. They’ll sell ya horse paste. Reverse mortgages, and gold coins.
@ StrictlyFacts
Apparently, that’s exactly the sort of misinformation at hand if you suck the teats of right wing politicians in modern day America.
https://www.reuters.com/article/delta-vaccination-idUSL1N2QZ0IZ
Utter stupidity and errant ignorance.
Surely it’s time for a coalition of the willing to invade the US and save it from itself.
85 Billion of tax payers dollars left for the Taliban to divide up with ISIS et al, military chiefs all gave sworn testimony they recommended he leave 2.5K soldiers there, Brandon claims he cannot recall any of them telling him that;
2 Million illegal aliens being distributed around the nation and many more to come, 3K in one organized group on their way now;
Inflation out of control, groceries, building materials, the list goes on, gas under Trump was less than $2 a gallon, now $3-4, 100% increase, he created energy independence, Brandon by contrast is begging OPEC to reduce prices, whilst he has given Putin the green light with his pipeline to supply Europe;
Brandon wants to wake up inflation by spending 6 trillion and ruining any chances of our next generations, but his party is so divided, they can’t find agreement with the communists.
Brandon is doing a Stellar job, let’s see how the state elections go, and how it all turns upside down in ‘22.
Let’s Go Brandon
The song chattered higher than Adele yesterday
@Platy — I have to give you kudos for being a “Master” of *Diversion*! What I’m referring to are claims made by various parties and government agencies that have been *Debunked* based on *Facts* that must be *Relevant* to the topic at hand, and *Not* diverting towards other “Theoretical” perspectives! Let’s evaluate your claim, based on statistical *Rates,* vs my claims based on actual *Numbers,* as presented by the UK report —
#1. The NON-vaccinated unnecessarily “hog” critical hospital resources that could have been allocated to treat other ailments –> note that quantities of available hospital beds are a *Static* limited resource that does *Not* care about *Rates* of Occurrences, but *Only* about actual *Numbers* of Occurrences!
#2. The NON-vaccinated comprise the vast majority of those who die from COVID-19, so getting vaccinated absolutely saves lives –> note that this claim, as framed by those promoting vaccines, focuses on a *Static* statistic, regardless of *Rates* of occurrences (“… vast majority of those who die …”)!
#3. Vaccines by definition confer stronger and longer lasting immunity protection than Natural Immunity (if that even exists) –> this claim has already been *Debunked* by a research report from Israel and does *Not* rely on *Rates* of Occurrences (*Static* number of 27X stronger and longer lasting protection than available through vaccines)!
Of course, with greater numbers of vaccinated vs NON-vaccinated, we might expect to see greater numbers of occurrences within those who are vaccinated, but, with respect to the above claims that I’ve Listed and *Debunked,* the *Rates* of Occurrences are *Irrelevant* to the discussion!