I wrote last week that United Airlines would soon announce Starlink internet – the fastest internet in the sky – to replace current slow service.
- The first tests will occur early next year, and first passenger flight with an equipped aircraft later in 2025.
- Over several years they will deploy Starlink across their full fleet of both mainline and regional jets.
And, like other airlines that have already deployed Starlink, it will be free. With satellites in low earth orbit, there’s very little latency. And download speeds are achievable up to 200 Mbps. I first experienced it a year and a half ago – on a small regional jet – and found it amazing.
Incredible. I've gotten as much as 80 Mbps down on this @flyjsx flight with @SpaceX #Starlink internet.
It's like working in my office at home… while airlines generally don't even put internet on their ERJ-145s at all. pic.twitter.com/BlAF6UKRIG
— gary leff (@garyleff) March 7, 2023
Once eventually fully deployed this will put United ahead of Delta and JetBlue (which offer reasonably fast, free wifi today) and ahead of American (which offers reasonably fast wifi, priced more expensively than any other U.S. carrier).
Like Southwest, United’s current wifi performance is poor but improving. I’ve avoided flying United because of the drag on productivity in means while in the air. That will change, but it will take time.
For five years, United CEO Scott Kirby has talked about making wifi free once they had enough bandwidth, since unpriced wifi means much greater uptake. United is even touting that customers will be able to play games on multiple devices simultaneously. Paid wifi isn’t just a revenue generator, it’s also a way to limit demands on the system and keep it usable.
In 2012 I wrote that once bandwidth increases substantially for inflight internet, it would eventually become free (included in ticket price). I predicted that would happen within 10 years. It did at some carriers, and was slowed by the pandemic, but most of the industry is getting there.
American Airlines – which promised free inflight messaging seven years ago and then failed to deliver – will have a hard time sustaining wifi prices of $20 – $30 per flight. Southwest and Alaska charge $8. JetBlue and Delta are generally free. And United is moving in that direction. When Kirby was first talking free wifi, though, in contrast American’s then-President now CEO Robert Isom said they intended to keep charging while recognizing they might have to follow other competitors to free.
The issue we’ll all face is that that bandwidth, that satellite wifi serice, it’s not cheap. Think about what you do on the ground now put it in a plane and then track satellites in a plane. So what you’re talking about ultimately is something that would be an expenditure of hundreds of millions of dollars and it’s something we have to think about in terms of what do customers expect, what do they get for that, what advantages does it bring in addition to live TV that we will be giving free, that we are giving free, and also stored content on the plane.
So it’s something that we are out there and making sure we’re conscious of. The intent though and the model that we have is that we will be charging for wifi. As we go forward of course we’ll be conscious of the marketplace and make sure we do the right thing.
It will take time for United’s fleet to see the new fast, free inflight internet. 1,000 aircraft is a lot to deploy, even taking just a single overnight per airframe to install (and not wanting to limit schedules in the meantime taking planes out of service). But it’s a future we can now look forward to.
@ Gary — Further proof that Timmy doesn’t know what he is talking about. Like we needed more…
no, Gary, UA will not surpass DL. UA is following DL by several years.
You are basing what UA will do in several years despite the inevitable delays that take place to what DL has now.
DL not only will complete the rollout of domestic hi speed free WiFi on its fleet before UA has the first passenger flight with Starlink. Over 600 DL mainline domestic aircraft already have free ViaSat high speed WiFi on DL. DL’s RJ fleet will follow. UA hasn’t even committed to putting high speed WiFi on its RJ fleet and they, like AA, have hundreds more RJs than DL.
DL is already turning on high speed free WiFi on route after route across the Atlantic and that process will continue.
The Pacific remains an issue because ViaSat’s APAC satellite is years behind schedule but is supposed to launch in the near future.
No airline has proven that Starlink has the capacity over the capacity necessary to support a large transpacific operation.
DL will have completed its WiFi project long before UA gets to 25% of its fleet – just as happened with AVOD.
There is a reason why aviation journalists like Brian Sumers accurately note that Delta is United’s north star.
Did you just copy and paste from yesterday, tim?
You had no original thought whatsoever
For those of us who fly a lot out of a non-fortress-hub location– Where we actually do have a choice in airlines?
The continual improvement in UAL’s long haul services and in-flight experience are becoming obvious. I just came back from LHR to LAX– Wonderful United Club in T2-LHR (Hot English Breakfast), continuous inflight WiFi, better onboard food and a dedicated Customs and Immigration Facility at LAX, flawless connections. Compared to the third-world bazaars of JFK or ATL? United’s offering of long-haul at LAX is an absolute dream experience.
The fact that I could accurately write yesterday what UA said today is what makes me the leader in aviation chat comments and you just boxing at the air because you can’t get anything right.
UA will take years to implement Starlink even on mainline- you argued incessantly that they would deploy their system quickly. UA itself says they won’t do a revenue flight until late in 2025.
UA is not committing to put Starlink on regional jets; DL will have high speed free WiFi up and running on RJs before UA even completes 25% of its mainline fleet.
I was right… all you have to do is walk away instead of providing an opportunity for me to copy and paste what you said yesterday to prove how wrong you are even based on what UA said today
Will basic economy ever be differentiated by having paid internet while other fares get it free?
There could be 4 levels.
1. FREE internet (except basic economy)
2. High speed basic economy internet $24.99
3. Low speed basic economy internet $9.99
4. Special basic economy internet $4.99 (limited to 300MB, 1 out of every 100 customers will be transmitted Delta malware which will cost 85,000 Skymiles for the antidote)
“ Compared to the third-world bazaars of JFK ”
That’s really just T4 and delta at jfk
T8 and t5 are quite spacious and nice
hey burt,
the parallel to UA at LAX is DL or VS at LAX.
The parallel to DL at JFK is UA at EWR.
UA has no comparable SE hub to ATL which is why they are so small in Florida.
we all get our opinions and preferences but at least use accurate facts for your arguments.
“ is what makes me the leader in aviation chat comments “
Lmao. What a distinction and how sad that you’d even say that much less think it
“ you argued incessantly that they would deploy their system quickly.”
Actually that’s what you said I said because you have no reading comprehension. Frankly, you also said they might do it in a year yesterday. I said it could be quickly in response to your weird dogmatic claims about delta being first to have global WiFi and again: delta doesn’t control its own WiFi destiny, viasat does. Delta doesn’t even have WiFi on many jets. AA could make global WiFi tomorrow. United could still install faster than delta. Who knows… we do know star link will be a superior provider vs aa and delta and delta will likely follow United to it one day.
It’s Friday. Go relax somewhere. Surely you can’t possibly spend your entire day on here again …
Don’t be a loser, tim. Go outside.
I enjoy NOT having internet on a plane. So, I don’t give a @&%$ if or when United, Delta or anyone else installs faster internet. It is merely a baby pacifier for a certain set of people. Like a drug addiction that must be satisfied.
My goodness that as*hole just proclaimed himself the “leader in aviation chat comments”. What an incredibly sad life.
One note re WiFi on American:
It’s totally free for all T-Mobile customers like myself on AA’s domestic flights.
Max,
you simply are here trying to denigrate what I said while refusing to acknowledge what I said.
Delta has free WiFi on 2/3 of its mainline fleet – which is the largest in the world right now.
UA doesn’t control its destiny with WiFi any more than ViaSat is holding back DL
As much as you want to argue, ViaSat will not give AA the bandwidth to offer free global WiFi over the Pacific.
And AA COULD offer free WiFi on domestic flights but they aren’t going to do it.
ViaSat’s contract w/ DL requires the new APAC satellite to be functional to offer high speed free WiFi at good speeds. If the satellite is delayed, ViaSat will probably offer DL a limited amount of capacity on their existing satellites – which AA uses.
There is no carrier that offers high speed free WiFi over the Pacific for a TPAC network as large as DL operates – let alone what UA offers.
you were wrong and I was right, Max.
accept that you argued and still do because you can’t stand to admit that someone else knows more than you and you absolutely cannot admit that DL does something before and better than someone else.
when you learn to approach internet comment sections with rationality and facts instead of emotion and bias, you might be taken seriously.
Until then, you are an anonymous vindictive user using a fake name that repeatedly proves yourself to be wrong
cairns,
what is sad is someone (or someones) that jump into conversations to prove people wrong and then still get it wrong themselves.
Alan,
just like AVOD, you are free not to use WiFi if you don’t want it.
If it doesn’t exist or is priced at high rates, then using it is not an option.
The TMobile option exists on multiple carriers but that is not free for all and it is not global. It is a great marketing tool for T Mobile
10 paragraphs? Why are you so easy to needle? 😉
Try to go outside and spend a few minutes at your local playground.
I don’t have time to respond to you all day (weird… I know… I usually enjoy it so much )
@Plane Jane
I’ve done return-from-Europe CXNs via JFK in the last 18 months on JetBlue, DL and AA.
There are a few facility upgrades out there, and the biometrics system implementation has gone well. So, I will allow that. On the other hand? Lines are long, staff are surly, waits are extended, bags are slow to arrive… and then? The re-check and re-clearance-of-security is Effing Miserable.
Last time on JetBlue I was in the security line over an hour. After a 9 hour inbound flight. Misery.
Delta? Even worse.
At LAX-T6/7 the other day? Cleared immigration-passport-control in 5 minutes. Bags up in 5 more. Drop bags. Dedicated Re-clearance line. From the time the door opened to sitting back down in the United Club, drink in hand? Less than 15 minutes.
I’d lost my faith in United several years ago, but start to finish they are doing a great job at stepping it up. Free, Fast internet? Will only make it better, an ACTUAL premium experience.
True story: South Park based their “keyboard warrior” character on Tim Dunn.
@Tim Dunn
Not sure what “accurate facts” you claim popped into your head, but none of those facilities you cite have the seamless experience of my UA230 flight arrival at LAX the other day. None.
Literally 15 minutes after walking off that plane at UAL’s dedicated arrivals I’d cleared passport control, bag claim, Customs, Re-Check, Dedicated Security Line and back to the United Club.
Last time at Delta via ATL? Well over 90 minutes.
Delta at JFK? C’mon man, be serious. I’m NEVER flying DL via JFK again. It’s an ACTUAL third-world descent into misery.
Even the “new” DL T1.5,2-3-TBIT chaos at LAX is astonishing in how much worse it is than the Delta PR Machine claims it is. The videos of the DL Re-Check and Security lines stretching out down the CTA from 3 to 2 to 1.5 just aren’t that hard to find. And, yeah, the International Arrivals from 3 and 4 share the same staff from TBIT since they are adjacent.
Here’s an idea– Maybe you should travel more and post less?
As to the topic at hand? United’s got a clear strategy to raise the bar– and worldwide fast satellite internet will be a huge benefit.
And, here’s the sad truth— once again Delta last quarter, like so many times before, would have lost money flying the planes. All the operating margins come from the credit cards– and they are WAAAY off their target on credit card programs.
Delta is a money losing airline, with obvious operational gaps, wrapped around a temporary credit card scam.
@ Tim — Indeed, you are THE aviation thought leader. You really should start your own blog.
@Gary. Please band Tim Dunn from your web site as you are losing readers.
the root issue is that Max is preoccupied with what and how much other people post and can’t stand for anyone esp me to post DL’s strengths and anyone else’s weaknesses.
He spent all day yesterday arguing about how bad DL’s free high speed WiFi is and how fast UA would rollout Starlink at the mere suggestion that UA would offer StarLink.
The facts, once again, are that DL has over 600 aircraft that have high speed free WiFi and while most are domestic, DL is turning on new international routes every week.
UA WILL NOT even have a revenue passenger flight with Starlink according to their own press release until late 2025 – a year from now.
As I said yesterday, DL will be finished with its global WiFi rollout including on regional jets before UA even completes its mainline fleet.
Max could have easily walked away as soon as Gary posted his article confirming what I said – other than Gary’s commentary about UA surpassing DL which is factually incorrect.
Burt,
I have been through JFK T4 with Global Entry and have never taken more than 10 minutes. There must be something the feds in NY have with you; it is possible you do something to tick them off?
Gene,
Gary absolutely doesn’t want to be left with the thoughtless arguers left for readership.
@TDunn:
The free T-Mobile option on United is global.
@Gary: What are you expecting from internet in the air? I’ve had useable and pretty consistent service globally on United, free with T-Mobile. You have to watch out for 737’s that leave the country (or IAH-FL), but other than that if it’s messaging/email/web browsing/slow app updates, it gets the job done.
@Greg Just FYI Starlink’s contract demands that their internet is free for everyone. If airlines do not comply they do not get a contract. Look at all airlines using Starlink, they are all free.
Another six paragraphs about me when I didn’t even respond to you? I’m so flattered. The sad thing is, I think you actually believe yourself that you were right and proven right.
Which is amusing, funny, and really just shows the degraded state of your brain if your mental comprehension is that low.
But again… you can’t even say anything new and original without using the same tired and fake material over and over.
Don’t be this easy to needle, Tim. It’s terribly funny to many of us, but it sure does reinforce you looking like an idiot.
–The person who seems to occupy your brain, Max
@ Tim — Maybe if you would actually get out and travel on several airlines, you would have a basis of comparison for your commentary. I guess UA doesn’t fly to your basement.
Max,
for someone that incessantly argues that you don’t have time to spend on here arguing w/ me, that is exactly what you do.
whether you addressed me by name or not, you most certainly have responded to me.
You are hellbent on trying to control the narrative
and because you can’t get the facts right, you incessantly focus on me.
We all see it.
Just as with AVOD, UA is doing what DL showed them matters – put high speed free WiFi on its fleet.
Good for UA. Seriously. and good for passengers.
Those who thought that the small antennae w/ Starlink would make for a fast installation were clearly wrong.
It will still take years for UA to install Starlink across even if its mainline fleet.
and the biggest issue for UA and its fleet is that Boeing will be dealt yet another delay due to its workers now striking.
wow. 10 paragraph response to me? Do I really get under your skin this much? It’s funny when you accuse others of trying to control the narrative. “Pot? Is that you? You’re black.”
“we all see it”
Who is this “we”, Tim? Are you speaking on behalf of all the other commenters that never say anything in support of your nonsense but, instead, respond to your idiocy as well?
You want SO DESPERATELY to get the final words in and I even let you yesterday. After a while, it just gets boring responding to your stupidity. You say the SAME things over and over and over again.
But just so we remind people. You love an airline that fired you. How sad…
And here I said I wasn’t going to respond today… i just enjoy this unique ability I have to get under your skin too much, I suppose.
“and the biggest issue for UA and its fleet is that Boeing will be dealt yet another delay due to its workers now striking.”
And for Delta’s 100 MAX10s 😉
Timbo, just admit that if Delta announced it was moving to Starlink, you’d claim they’d have it done by tomorrow since it’s the World’s Only Perfect Airline and TechOps is used to creating miracles. It will take time for UA to install it on all its fleet, just not as much as you think, on the basis that no technical arm can be as wonderful as TechOps. I’m perfectly willing to wait.
You know why? I’ve been a T-Mobile customer for twenty years, and my internet access is free on UA, and very often gate-to-gate (which it was on my flight yesterday DFW-ORD). I also flew UA from SFO to Brisbane earlier this year, and guess what? The wi-fi was solid, pretty fast, and was with me all the way. I was reading this website on it somewhere in the South Pacific. Same thing on the trip back. Can Delta say this? No, because Viasat access dies on the same route.
To some degree, I must say I agree with Tim Dunn. Yes, it’s good to note what airlines are **saying** they will do, but in the end, it’s what they are actually **doing** today that matters. Thing 1 air could announce that we’re offering $99 trans-Pacific flights business class flights once we launch in 2027. But it means beans until we’re actually doing it.
BTW, I’ll be happy to send you business class reservations, pending our formal launch, if you’ll send me $99 cash. No checks or credit cards accepted.
believe me, mini brain, you aren’t getting under my skin.
I am proving that you are a hypocrite by saying you don’t have time to argue w/ me and yet that is exactly what you are doing.
and you continue to cling to the notion that I was fired from Delta and yet can’t explain why I would spend so much time pushing them. It makes no sense because it is, yet again, another of your fantasies because you can’t deal w/ the reality that DL is leading the industry – in this case with ROLLING OUT free high speed global WifFi
Every one of the big 4 plus AS and others have large Boeing orders; as a percentage of its total fleet, DL’s Boeing orders are the smallest.
thing 1 gets it.
talk is cheap. UA has done plenty of it. When they surpass the completion rate for DL’s WiFi, then Max can crow that he was right.
But it won’t happen because DL will be through with global free high speed WiFi long before United and Delta will then be rolling out the next enhancement that United will decide to copy.
@ Tim Dunn — When Airbus has probelms, you will of course explain the opposite. The backbones of Delta’s fleet, their POS 767-300s and 737-900ERs, were made by none other than Boeing. Why doesn’t Delta just retire these POS today and go down a pick up their third A350 and maybe some more A321s? Oh, wait, Airbus can’t make them fast enough. Not Delta’s fault, of course.
Gene,
The 767 is no longer the backbone of Delta’s fleet. Delta has more A330s (72) than 767s (64 300s and 400s).
I support Boeing but they continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
And that still doesn’t change that Delta has a lower percentage of its current fleet and order book in Boeing aircraft than any other US airline that is a Boeing customer.
Delta is keeping the 767 and 757 because they still work. Since you incessantly rag on the 767, can you tell us when you took your last five Delta 767 flights – either model?
And Delta is retiring 767s.
whether you realize it or not, DL’s 737-900ERs have just 8 more seats than AA has on their 737-800s/MAX 8s even though the 737-900/ER is 9 feet longer. DL’s 738s have 12 FEWER seats than AA has on their 738s/MAX8s. IIRC, AS and UA both have more seats on their 738s than DL.
For someone that incessantly carries on about airplane space, you seem unable to do some basic calculations which would show that DL has far more space per passenger on its 737-900s and -800s than its competitors.
@Tim Dunn
“The Feds”. Nah. Given your incessant comment history and reputation for online behavior? You’d be the one who’s targeted by The Feds. I mean there are gigabytes on notes posted on your antics.
Me? I carried agency status for years and I assure you that during very, very brief dance through C&I at LAX the other day? The agent was very pleasant. And waved me through as he wished me a good day.
If you want to pretend the Buchenwald-like facilities at JFK and ATL are anywhere close to efficient? Knock yourself out. You’re clearly carrying around some serious delusions.
There are some upgraded facilities at JFK, but none of them serve Delta.
“Fleets”. Anybody defending a carrier that’s still flying Mad-Dog-ish two-holers with a 1965 Type Certification on them… should simply be quiet. Delta’s always had a laggard, cheap-ass fleet strategy and the fact they are still flying (and proud of) some damn DC9 derivatives that ought to be baking out in Victorville right now? Shows how out of touch you are.
I mean, why is Bastian still doubling down on A330s when he could have had A350s and Dreamliners by now? More “Premium BS” being spewed as they feverishly skate to where the puck used to be. They didn’t invest in IT, didn’t invest in DC9 replacements, didn’t buy enough A350. Their MAX10s are a bad joke. So much for the future, Ed. Half their business is dependent on a credit card product that was lame 35 years ago…. Apparently, given the two chopped up planes at ATL the other day (again!) they don’t even invest in driver training– maybe the pilots are too busy pulling weapons on each other.
all of that and you say you take forever to get through CBP at T4 JFK and yet I and others consistently get through much faster.
DL’s A330 fleet is younger than AA’s 777 fleet. The A330NEO burns just about the same amount of fuel as the 787-9 and costs tens of millions of dollars less to buy.
And Airbus IS delivering A330NEOs close to if not on-time; DL has already received a couple this year and will get 7, just as they will A350s. It is both/and for A330NEOs and A350s. 14 of them to be delivered for DL this year.
AA and UA TOGETHER won’t even get a half dozen 787s delivered.
and the A330 – whether NEO or CEO – is 8 abreast in coach for a considerably wider seat – than AA or UA have on their 787s or 777s.
now, if only we can figure out why you take so long to get through customs compared to other people.
@ Tim — You have plenty of space in your basement, I’m sure.
Hope you had a good time on the playground today, Tim.
Sorry to leave you longing for me… it seems to bother you so much that I have a life 😉
Don’t pine too much for me over the weekend, I have a busy weekend and I’m afraid I won’t be hypocritical enough to make you happy in our star-crossed lover kind of way
lol
Enjoy your weekend, Timmy. I hope you find someone special in your life that makes you leave a comment section for 30 minutes or so. Seems like your buddy, Brad, would be a good choice.
–Yours forever inside your brain, Max (or mini brain if ya nasty)
your weekend is so busy that you had to post two more times before whatever you gotta do.
I give you the attention you want and nothing more.
you aren’t the smartest knife in the kitchen but if you want to read less from me, quit jumping on to denigrate me.
Just say your piece and move on like all other normal people do.
I think I posted thrice (that’s three for you). And lucky you, my plans don’t begin for a bit.
I actually really enjoy how easy you are to rile up. No one is denigrating you, just informing others of your actual life history and about real data since it’s rather pertinent that Delta found your analysis lacking and fired you.
“Just say your piece and move on like all other normal people do.”
Like you? lol. I’d love to know your definition of “normal people” since you spend your entire day responding to people that think you’re an idiot.
and just so you know…
“you aren’t the smartest knife in the kitchen ”
That’s not the phrase. It’s easier to belittle another person when you actually get the phrase correct. It doesn’t make you the sharpest or smartest knife in the room when you don’t get it right. 😉
I have smart knives in my kitchen.
You clearly are nowhere near.
congrats on refraining on the use of the “i” word today. I’m proud of your self-control. Really.
“I have smart knives in my kitchen.”
Good comeback, bro 😉
It’s probably a good thing you have smart knives in your kitchen. I’m a little nervous about the thought of you with sharp things running around crying when Delta has their next meltdown
–Your little Maxie
@Tim Dunn
Dunno, what to tell you Tim-o… It only took me 15 minutes at LAX to clear passport control, claim bags, walk through Customs, re-check and past Security. Up the escalator to the United Club. This is, of course, on UAL, with their dedicated Customs facility and better scheduling. For anybody from west of the Mississippi? I have no idea why you’d willingly deal with JFK or ATL… a few merit badges on your dumb AMEX credit card scam hardly would be worth it…. You clearly aren’t good at math or you’d understand Delta isn’t currently making money flying planes. And the AMEX Ponzi scheme is now pretty saturated. The Delta future looks bleak with a fleet littered with obsolete planes and hubs in Bad Weather Havens.
I’ll leave it to you to pretend that DL’s facilities for inbound EU based arrivals aren’t sub-third world standards. I was recently in Tunis in fact… and darn doesn’t that airport remind me of Delta’s “premium” arrivals hub in JFK. Similar over-crowding, similar melange of weird spices and perspiration.
The A350 vs A330 debate is well-litigated on other aviation sites. The only corner case for the A330 is generally shorter, denser routes where there’s demand for twin-aisle… What is that? Maybe ATL to Tupelo and Spartanburg?
The weird thing is, even Airbus admits any conceivable mission profile is better served by some other Airbus.
Leave it to Delta to chase some short term discount in a fleet littered with too many types and too many configurations. Hekk, there’s probably a NWA 747 parked somewhere that DL’s management forgot. Right next to a bunch of those G’damm Mad Dogs.
Burt
You clearly aren’t here to exchange ideas but the 330NEO is very well suited for flights up to 12 hours, is readily available, is part of DL’s strategy with the A350 which is more capable than anything in American or United’s fleet and is more comfortable for more passengers.
United would live to be getting the wide bodies thus year that Delta will receive. Maybe the sane next year too.
United might have to resort to the used wide body market to replace its 30 year old dinosaurs
I still can’t figure why you take so much longer to navigate airports than me. Regardless of the airport.
Maxetta
Sharp is safer than dull.
Brett @ CrankyFlier had some great thoughts on Delta when it rolled out the free wifi – requiring a Delta SkyMiles membership, and of course losing your browsing privacy. I’m wondering if United is going to follow suit.
Its only a matter of time before we see the airlines change their plans based on speed and follow hotels: everyone gets free basic access, but want faster speeds – you’ll pay for it.
On a side note, Alaska did lead the industry with FREE messaging via their GoGo wifi. which includes FB and texting. Just flew Southwest yesterday – paid wifi on the longer flight and it was better than I was expecting; the 2nd was just messaging and it was limited to just Whatsapp and iMessage. No TMo freebie stuff 🙁
There is no privacy when surfing on anyone else’s network. Not even on a provider inside your home.
You need only see the number of screens on Delta that are connected to Sync on aircraft with it to know the majority of people on Delta have a SkyMiles number. I am sure the same will be true with United if that is what it takes to access their system
@Tim Dunn, you really are living rent free in many people’s heads at the same time. I don’t read all of the ad hominem posts but in a way it is funny.
Why do people engage with this clearly delusional psychopath? See his name and wall of text, and keep scrolling. Maybe then he’ll start his own blog and realize nobody cares what color the sky is in his world.
Tim, why is it relevant to talk about what DL *will* do (A350-1000s, future ICN routes) but not relevant to talk about what UA will do?