About Gary Leff

Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community InsideFlyer.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" by Conde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty. More About Gary »

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  1. […] That’s even better on a tax-adjusted basis. Bask Bank did a good job determining how they should be reporting the miles earned as a return on accounts. Bask Bank’s terms and conditions say “[m]iles are currently valued at 0.42 cents per mile, the equivalent of 0.42% annual percentage yield.” So for every 10,000 miles earned on deposits they report a value of $42. I’ve argued that on a tax-adjusted basis return on a mileage-earning Bask Savings Account can be three times as high as a savings account wit…. […]

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  1. NO! It has not proven out! My family has 2 accounts with Bask. We followed all the rules. Bask has not put in the promotion miles at all. Plain and simple Bask sucks as a bank! Poor customer service, no attention to detail, and total lack of caring for customers. Never again will I deal with such an unknown!

  2. @JohnB – I’ve received my promotion bonus miles, what miles are you missing – are you sure you earned the bonus and waited the specified time? Yours is the first and only such complaint like this that I’ve heard. I’d be happy to get help following up on this if you’ll email me.

  3. You say there is no limit–is this true? We keep a mid 6-figures in Chase savings (!) because that’s the “safe” of our portfolio allocated to Cash. [Note: Our other assets are all in stocks, ETFs, high yield bond funds, and trusts, so it’s not like we are ill-informed geezers who are hoarding cash.]

    I’ll be happy to earn a half million miles each year, if it’s possible.

  4. Except American miles are increasingly worthless and hard to use. Every dummy miles booking I’ve tried over the next few months- domestic, international, economy, premium class- returns mile values substantially below 1¢ per mile. You’ve astutely commented on this counterintuitive phenomenon of airlines/hotels jacking up points pricing during the pandemic instead of using reasonably priced fares/rooms to induce loyal travelers out of their homes. I appreciate you shining a light on that practice, but the necessary corollary is that it substantially eroded the value proposition of collecting points, including through credit cards and a Bask account. Hard for earning miles to have “proven out” when airlines are working feverishly to devalue them (not to mention the out-of-pocket hit of paying a 1099 on Bask’s miles).

  5. @Kimmie A — If you have $500K sitting around, yes it’s possible. If it’s a joint account, it’ll be FDIC insured to $500K.

    I would double check if there is a limit on large balances for mileage earning before opening the account, but I have not seen anything about a limit.

  6. @Gary – I agree with your analysis and that this beats most of the current alternatives. Given that all the major “high yield” savings accounts (Ally, Amex, etc.) are down to about 0.50%, how long/how can Bask can keep paying 1 mile per dollar? Presumably they are buying these miles at well over a penny each.

  7. No problems with them here as well. I signed up last year when the initial bonus was bigger. Have only kept $1,000 in the account due to not really having anywhere to go with the pandemic.

  8. There’s no limit. I have 1.4m in bask bank and now trying to find ways to spend the miles. However, without international travel, I’m getting barely 1c per mile on redemption.

  9. I’ve gotten all of the promotional miles promised. No issues

    And I can always get better value using miles than the .6 cents available in a high yield savings account

  10. I’ve earned over 86K miles with this promotion. Looks like my 110K AA biz class round trip to CDG will become a reality in 2021 with little to no effort on my part. Very satisfied with the 1099-INT and with this return as compared to an interest-bearing savings account.

  11. Add me to list of Bask Bank fans. I just wished they worked out a deal with AA to award lifetime miles for the miles earned (similar to the promotion from last year where you could earn lifetime miles with credit card spend).

    Gary – why don’t you pitch that to the Bask team? Ideally, you could earn both redeemable and elite or lifetime miles and if not both, then maybe give people the option between choosing redeemable miles and elite/lifetime miles.

  12. I’ve been very happy with Bask Bank. I received the promotional bonus and get 10,000 miles per month. They have deposited the miles into my account like clockwork. Yes it can be hard to find flights on American that are worth over 1.4 cents per mile so I use them for last minute domestic trips that would have cost a lot more to book with money. I was able to get the exact flight I wanted from Roanoke to Charleston for 7500 miles one way the night before. That same trip would have cost $385! They are out there you just have to look harder sometimes.

  13. Bask Bank did not meet the January 31 deadline to mail the 2020 Tax forms to customers. My 1099 arrived in mid February, long after I had filed my taxes. So I just had to amend my federal tax return to stay honest and clean. Poor planning and execution on Bask’s part.

  14. Edit to my above comment: Just used 70K of the 86K to book Etihad business to the Maldives next month. Thanks Bask!

  15. I expect like me, most people keep their money in a Trust and Bask Bank doesn’t support trusts. So doesn’t work.

  16. Classy People
    —————
    The IRS reported that they were depositing my refund into my account at Texas Capital Bank yesterday. The problem for me, the account was closed. Today, I asked TCB if they could intercept the incoming ACH and redirect it into my other account there, expecting that it couldn’t be done. Not so. They did stop it being returned to the black hole of the IRS and sent it to my new account.
    Appreciated and will not be forgotten.

  17. Gary—I too have been a very long-time customer of Bank Direct/Bask Bank. Since you have contacts there, can you find out when (if ever) their IT can handle a joint account (with spouse)? Seems pretty basic for a bank, especially since Bask was built on a new platform.

  18. No issues with bask. A few years ago I would passed on this. Interest rates being near zero it makes sense for me. When I book tickets to London at 62.5 or so one way business class I feel I have good value I have found space and booked it. Time will tell if I can go this winter

  19. Contrary to what others have said, I believe that when I opened a Bask account recently, I was told there was a maximum of $100,000 that could be deposited in an AA miles account. Maybe I’m mistaken, but that’s what I recall.

  20. Juergen Heise – everybody and their cousin missed that date. I didn’t get JPM until 2/17. I didn’t get etrade until 2/5.

    Besides, wasn’t filling closed until 2/15?

  21. @ Juergen Heise — Sounds like poor planning on your part, especially since it was made very clear that a 1099 would be forthcoming.

    @ Lan Sluder — There is NOT a $100,000 cap on earning miles with Bask. There is a $250,000 cap on FDIC coverage.

  22. I think Bask Bank is terrific. If you add two beneficiaries to your account you can get $500,000 FDIC insurance per account, so two people can earn 1 million miles per year with full FDIC insurance.

    I’ve been a customer for over a year.

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