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1. Oh gosh, a vaccine story.
   I can only imagine the comments to come. People, can we stay civil please!!??

2. I can just imagine what the lines would turn into if this was required. And one can only imagine the reactions that could occur when people were disallowed. As I’ve said before I’m not sure any of this really does anything at all. Just to requote something I’ve written on before, below is part of a longer letter I’ve sent to a number of epidemiolgists (some sort of agreed, some ignored it):

   In fact, current efforts may be doing more harm than good. Mandated tests are useless for those who are infected after they take them and even the U.S. government doesn’t bother with such a measure for people coming by land over the borders. Thus we’re creating a false sense of security while not keeping out anything. On an airliner—where is circulation likely to be worse? Why in a lavatory. And where is someone most likely to take off their mask? Right there of course, or else eating and drinking, which leads to exposure too.
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   So it’s a bit like Austria’s current lockdown. It might work well…if the country was an island and if the virus wasn’t everywhere and staying forever too. We’ll adapt as we have to diseases throughout our evolution. Harsh, but humans don’t control nature.

3. “Harsh, but humans don’t control nature.” True. But try telling that to the radical environmentalists too. At the end of the day it comes down to control, and lack of it for individuals.

4. Everyone is a scientist so follow the science. I’ve been traveling around the country (USA) this past week by car and I’m starting to see a trend where hardly anyone is wearing masks. I’m sure in places like LA or NYC it may be different but many other large and small cities aren’t requiring vaccinated people to wear them. Heck even various Target stores I visited didn’t require them. One of the few places I had to wear a mask in the past three weeks was during my visit to an immune compromised relative. I know we’ll see a flu and covid spike after Thanksgiving but don’t we usually have that. Maybe it’s time for the airlines to require unvaccinated or ill passengers wear mask.

5. The only reason to try to control the virus now is to prevent a deluge of patients that overwhelm medical facilities. At this point we all know there is a vaccine which (usually) prevents death from the virus. So if a certain population chooses to play Russian roulette by not being vaxxed, so be it. Require that they wear masks on aircraft, as they are higher risk, the same as the immune compromised.

   Austria’s policy is more a move to rationalize mandatory vaccination than it is to have a zero-Covid policy. The zero-Covid policy won’t work, ever, as this virus is with us indefinitely. What do you do, keep going into lockdown whenever there is a surge? Then re-open? Then shut down again? They are acting as if this is the plague, the Black Death, with a 40% fatality rate, and no treatment.

   We have treatment: we have vaxxes, we have mask requirements, we have therapeutic meds, we have antibodies.

6. Imagine how many unvaccinated people would take the vaccine – a very real intervention against serious illness and deaths from Covid – if they knew they would be able to travel without a mask – an almost entirely theatrical intervention – if they got jabbed. Requiring vaccinated people to continue to mask up demonstrates how the Biden Administration is all sticks, no carrots, which makes for a very counterproductive Covid policy by foregoing what could be a very practical incentive to take the vaccine.

7. I don’t see the meaningful return of long-haul premium pax unless/until masking goes away. Who wants to spend all that money to be muzzled for 8+ hours? You can see it in the inventory – where long haul has picked up, it’s not in premium.

   The good news is that once they announce the mask extension, I’m quite certain the status extensions will follow (that’s exactly what happened in the summer).

8. “Regardless of vaccination status” are the four deadly words now. They make it convenient to stay unvaccinated and they tell the vaccinated they still need to restrict themselves when they are not the ones responsible for spreading disease. Let the people who choose to suffer a slow, ,miserable, pointless death do so, and let the rest of us get on with fully living our lives again. Mask mandates are now a coward’s way out for those too timid to require vaccination – it makes them think they look like they’re doing something, when they aren’t.

   Yes I’d love to require vaccination for domestic flights and many other things but no, I don’t see the government or airlines with the guts to do that. The U.S. has fallen out of the top 60 worldwide in vaccination rates, due to our toxic politics. Fortunately soon the treatments available are likely to save a good percentage of the lives now being lost and we will indeed be able to relegate this catastrophe to just one of the things about life that sometimes suck, and no longer give it a dominant role in our affairs.

9. If we’re not going to get a vaccine requirement (despite that actually making travel safer), can we at least get rid of the idiotic TSA practices that DON’T make us safer? (Taking off shoes, not having liquids, etc.)

   On Saturday I took a flight BOB-PPT on Air Tahiti. Amazingly, we were not inconvenienced by meaningless security theater at the Bora Bora airport and the flight was still perfectly safe! If only this experience could be replicated elsewhere….

10. We should be more like Austria. Lockdowns for the unvaxxed.

11. As long as everyone is unwilling to discuss natural immunity I see this as a money grab for big pharma and crooked politicians.

12. @Dick Bupkiss

    Do you also goose-step down the street while sporting the straight-arm salute?? YOU NAZI!!!!

13. For all of those who are *still* buying into the Myths about the (waning) efficacy of those “experimental jabs” (that medically do *not* even qualify as bona fide “vaccines”), understand that the *majority* of those who are *now* getting sick and dying (especially in hospitals) are those who have been *fully* or at least *partially* “vaccinated”! This turnabout against common expectations was induced by the Delta variant, along with increasing amounts of administered “jabs” worldwide, and has already been manifesting for many months. But such info has been intentionally censored by mass media, especially here in USA, so as to keep everyone in the dark!

    And for those same Mythical “Vaccine” believers, do *not* spout off about how those percentages per 100,000 show otherwise, because those percentages are *irrelevant* when it comes down to raw numbers of “vaccinated” occupants in hospitals requiring critical care from either “vaccinated” breakthrough infections and/or from co-morbidities! By now many countries have already attained majority “vaccinated” status, so when a smaller percentage of incidents against a larger base number (ie, those “vaccinated”) can still overwhelm a larger percentage against a smaller base number (ie, those “unvaccinated”), then those who are “vaccinated” become *the* causal work loads on medical resources required to treat them!

    Here is a quick summary of what the latest UK pandemic survey report for Week 46 (2021) reveals for incidents there between Weeks 42 and 45 (2021) across all age groups (80) —
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    For critical care (eg, ER and ICU) within 28 days of positive test —

    Total incidents = 9831
    From unvaccinated = 3200
    From “vaccinated” = 6631 (67.4%)
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    For deaths within 28 days of positive test —

    Total incidents = 3676
    From unvaccinated = 675
    From “vaccinated” = 3001 (81.6%)
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    For deaths within 60 days of positive test —

    Total incidents = 4359
    From unvaccinated = 783
    From “vaccinated” = 3576 (82.0%)
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    So, as *Real Facts* demonstrate, the actual resource burdens on medical services now lie within the group comprised of those who are already fully or at least partially “vaccinated”! Those past claims about this being a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” have actually long been *debunked* by *Real Facts*! But everyone needs to be intelligent and seek out those *Real Facts* rather than relying on *Fake Information* from the “Powers that Be”!

14. Those are lies Mr.SimplyNotFacts.
    Please take your snakeoil somewhere else.
    Why have so many hysterics turned against science?

    “For they will gnash and wail against the pillars of logic and die wretched deaths forsaking the scoopinator of lifes breath.”

    Chad 7-11

    It must be the end times…..

15. @StrictlyFacts I love how you try to get out ahead of the easy explanation that defeats your argument by saying that percentages are irrelevant. According to the Office of National Statistics, 89.8% of over 16s have received both doses of the vaccine. Forgive me, but I’m a statistician, so let’s examine this: 10% of the population represents 1/3 of hospital usage (ER and ICU), and you think the *WE* are the burden on medical services?

    I don’t believe in “mythical” vaccines, but I do believe in maths. And, you know, *real* vaccines.

16. @Jorge Paez

    I’ve also posted links to the UK COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report. The vaccinated are much more likely to get infected than the unvaccinated. The vaccinated do fare better than the unvaccinated with regard to severe disease and death, but given that the vaccinated vastly outnumber the unvaccinated and are getting infected at a higher rate, they are a larger burden on the NHS.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034383/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-46.pdf

    @Andy 11235

    Absolute values matter. The absolute burden of the vaccinated with COVID-19 is higher than that of the unvaccinated. The data StrictlyFacts presented belie the effectiveness of the vaccines. Do you remember when the public health establishment said the vaccine would end the pandemic? That it would make the vaccinated less likely to get infected? Less likely to spread the virus? These claims have all turned out to be false. The so-called experts have destroyed the trust the public placed in them. How many folx have to be vaccinated to save one life? Follow in the footsteps of the CCP and you will be disappointed.

17. @Jorge Paez — “Those are lies Mr.SimplyNotFacts.”

    ROFLMAO! Sorry to hurt your feelings, but your being a *True Science Denier* does *Not* make you correct, just because you *claim* to be correct! Can you offer any proofs of your claim? You need to go and fight the UK government about the *Facts* that I had presented from them, instead of attacking me!
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    @Andy 11235 — Perhaps I should clarify that I was trying to portray *Relative* medical care usage work loads that compared “vaccinated” vs. unvaccinated patients, and *Not* anything relating to the *Total* number of beds available for general admissions, since current day medical care usages by those who have been “vaccinated” clearly exceed those who are unvaccinated (based on the UK statistics provided). I was merely debunking that past claim about this pandemic being a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

    As for “*real* vaccines,” you might be interested to read what the president of the Bayer Pharma Division told his audience last month at the World Health Summit, as excerpted from a November 10, 2021 article by website LifeSiteNews[dot]com titled “Bayer executive: mRNA shots are ‘gene therapy’ marketed as ‘vaccines’ to gain public trust” —

    [ The president of Bayer’s Pharmaceuticals Division told international “experts” during a globalist health conference that the mRNA COVID-19 shots are indeed “cell and gene therapy” marketed as “vaccines” to be palatable to the public.

    Stefan Oelrich, president of Bayer’s Pharmaceuticals Division, made these comments at this year’s World Health Summit, which took place in Berlin from October 24-26 and hosted 6,000 people from 120 countries. Oelrich told his fellow international “experts” from academia, politics, and the private sector that the novel mRNA COVID “vaccines” are actually “cell and gene therapy” that would have otherwise been rejected by the public if not for a “pandemic” and favorable marketing.

    ““We are really taking that leap [to drive innovation] – us as a company, Bayer – in cell and gene therapies … ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy. I always like to say: if we had surveyed two years ago in the public – ‘would you be willing to take a gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body?’ – we probably would have had a 95% refusal rate,” stated Oelrich. ]

    In USA, the Congress even went so far as to *RE-define* what constitutes a “vaccine,” in order to approve EUA status to mRNA “vaccines,” as revealed in an October 29, 2021 article from website LifeSiteNews[dot]com titled “Congress made crucial change to vaccine definition weeks before COVID-19.”

    As revealed in a November 6, 2021 article from website TheGatewayPundit[dot]com titled “BREAKING: Proof CDC Changed Definition of ‘Vaccine’ Because Prior Definition Allowed People ‘To Claim the COVID-19 Vaccine is Not a Vaccine’,” the definition of the term vaccine was altered in the following manner —

    Before August 26, 2021 –> Vaccine– “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.”

    But now –> Vaccine– “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

    Therefore, in light of such revelations, those mRNA “vaccines” are *Not* actually vaccines in the traditional sense, because they do *Not* “produce immunity” and can only “… stimulate the body’s immune response …” (which may or may *Not* have long-term efficacy, as we’re now universally experiencing)!

    Additionally, have you noticed all of the terrible side-effects that COVID-19 “vaccines” have inflicted upon those who got jabbed? In USA, *more* people have already gotten adverse reactions and/or died from such COVID-19 “vaccines” than from all prior traditional vaccines dispensed during the past 30 years, as revealed in an October 14, 2021 article from website NaturalNews[dot]com titled “COVID-19 vaccines result in far more deaths in just 10 months than all other vaccines combined for the last 30 years”.

    So … are those COVID-19 experimental jabs truly qualified to be labeled as “*real* vaccines” in the traditional sense?

18. @StrictlyFacts

    For such a username, you are very good at cherry picking and drawing false conclusions, as well as using non-credible sources. “naturenews” is your source for vaccine deaths? The real figure is that it’s statistically near zero, and any deaths are likely not due to the vaccine but to inactive ingredients to which some have allergic reactions.

    Second, since you like using the UK’s data, please go take a look at the UK’s data on vaccinated deaths recorded as likely due to the vaccine. As of the end of September, that number is 5. Yes, 5. From the beginning of vaccination to now. How many doses given in the UK to date? 100M+ doses. So about a 1 in 20,000,000 risk of death, but it’s not likely to be random— those who may have an allergic reaction should be aware from other vaccines. Dying in a plane crash is about 1 in 11M, or about twice as high as from the vaccine.

    Third, you are either inadvertently (or worse, intentionally) misrepresenting the data by neglecting to factor in the denominator for each group, as Andy pointed out to you. This is a mistake called “being bad at math”.

    Covid misinformation spreads because so many Americans are awful at math
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/math-covid-vaccinations-jeremy-mcanulty/2021/11/12/bfe89018-417f-11ec-a3aa-0255edc02eb7_story.html

    Fact Check-VAERS data does not suggest COVID-19 vaccines killed 150,000 people, as analysis claims
    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-usa-idUSL1N2R00KP

19. @Vv — ROFLMAO! You *Are* overly *Defensive* about such matters, huh? 😛

    #1. & #2. Please point out exactly *Where* I, myself, overtly ascribed *Causation* of deaths for those who are “vaccinated”? I merely pointed out the Statistical *Facts* as they were reported by various governmental agencies — the numbers of deaths within groups that were “vaccinated” vs. those that were *Not*! You’re the one who chose to *Extrapolate* above and beyond into *Causation*!

    #1. As for impugning “NaturalNews[dot]com,” I know that their headlines may be intentionally crafted to be “attention-grabbing,” but I’m only interested in their Statistical Data regarding the *Factual* numbers of deaths for those who are “vaccinated” with the current COVID-19 “vaccines” vs. those who were vaccinated in the past with *Real* traditional vaccines — so just because I reference a source for its *Factual* numbers, does *Not* mean that I will necessarily embrace all of their “implications” or “conclusions”! The *Real* problem lies in the *Total Lack* of reporting on such *Factual* numbers by those in the mainstream media — I know that it’s *Inconvenient* for their agenda to have such *Factual* numbers be exposed, but *Facts* are still *Facts* despite being totally ignored by mainstream media!

    You also wrote “… any deaths are likely not due to the vaccine but to inactive ingredients to which some have allergic reactions.” — Really? Seriously? So you’re actually claiming that those “inactive” ingredients are *Not* part of the formulations for those “vaccines”? Please reveal exactly *How* we can get versions of those “vaccines” which are *Devoid* of those inactive ingredients that have already been embedded within, as part of their manufacturing processes?

    #2. Once again, you are the one who chose to “go there” about *Causation* … but since you want to bring this up, you need to be *Honest* with yourself and acknowledge the *Coverups* and *DIS-information* about this issue of *Causation*! Why? You should already know that the government agencies and Big Pharma are in cahoots, ever since the beginning, to push those “vaccines” as *The Only Way* to combat this pandemic, and, as such, they *Had* to actively *Suppress* the *Real* statistics about how many people *Truly* got injured and/or died from critical side effects induced by those “vaccines”! Have you ever wondered *Why* there have been such resistance to conduct autopsies of those who had died after getting “vaccinated”? Based on reports from some of those *Very Rare* autopsies that were done in the EU, they found mRNA-induced spike proteins, that were *Supposed* to “stay put” in the muscles, had actually spread everywhere throughout those corpses and had infiltrated many critical organs! Since those corpses were supposedly *Not* previously infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, what could you be forced to surmise? Just imagine what adverse public responses would have been, had such shocking information gotten exposed, right? Recall what the president of Bayer Pharmaceuticals Division said during his speech to the World Health Summit about the necessity of having positive media coverage in order to gain the public’s trust and, thereby, “succeed” with mass deployments of those “vaccines” (see earlier post above)?

    #3. You are confusing *Reality* vs. “Statistics” when you put forth that *Totally Irrelevant* point about the “Denominator” in the context of what I’m discussing — since most countries being referenced are now vast majority “vaccinated,” a tiny percentage of a large number (ie, those having gotten “vaccinated”) vs. a larger percentage of a much smaller number (ie, those *Not* “vaccinated”) can *Still* yield a larger resulting number from those who have been “vaccinated” vs. those *Not*! Now, when we discuss the #ICU beds at a hospital that are available to treat COVID-19 patients, that is an *Absolute* number which is *Not* reliant on those percentages, but merely on the (absolute) numbers of presenting infected patients! And the current trend, with the Delta Variant, is that there are now *More* (absolute) numbers presenting who are already “vaccinated” than those who are *Not*! Merely regurgitating Establishment “Talking Points” about the “Denominator” issue does *Not* make their claims any more *Relevant* or *True*!

    Finally, just because VAERS “does not suggest” something does *Not* mean that the “thing” not suggested is *Not True*!

    Did you know that Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA technology, has come out strongly *Against* the use of his mRNA technology to create so-called COVID-19 “vaccines,” as per the modified definition of vaccine (see earlier post above)? Read excerpts of an interview with him to better understand *Reality* with what’s *Really* going on, regarding this controversial issue —

    drive[dot]google[dot]com/file/d/1Oyy6lznQ6EY9EYxKBAsxf43QTx8TknuA/view

20. @ StrictlyFacts

    You are 100% correct. Sheep prefer to keep their blinders on and embrace the warm and fuzzy lies they are being told.