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Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community InsideFlyer.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" by Conde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty. More About Gary »

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  1. Wow. Just……wow……

    Before anyone says “better safe than sorry” in defense of the FAs, the key here is that they apparently LIED about actual events.

    I hope they get a huge settlement. Even if one is forgiving of being overly concerned about trafficking, ***lies*** place this on an entirely different scale.

  2. Gary. I’m a diamond and million miler on delta. My rights were violated on a flight Sunday. Do you have a email I can give you the details and get some suggestions. Thx. Jeff taratoot.

  3. Well now, isn’t this rich?! An industry that has moved so far left on the social political scale that it couldn’t be pushed any further by force now admitting that they train their employees to make judgements about others based on the very attributes for which anyone would be terminated without question otherwise. I’ll bet that admission stung like none other!

    This begs the question: is this a case of employer-supported double standards & hypocrisy or just selective application of politically-left worldview mentality?

    “Seeing sonething and saying something” is a concept that I fully support but unfortunately, seeing something and saying something has proven to end careers. The problem is, if you see something and say something, you better damn well hope that you’re right because if you’re wrong, you can plan for a long journey through litigation, potentially a loss of your job, and whatever the hell else the victim class can come up with to suck out of you.

    I didn’t read anything here that came even remotely close to justifying the actions of this flight crew. They better have more than this when they go in front of a jury otherwise they’re going to find themselves in the unemployment line right where they should be.

    This sounds like an episode of racist flight attendants gone’ wild.

  4. @Aaron can you twist pretzels into knots like that?

    What happened here sounds like another case of giving a bazooka to a kitten. Here’s just one (not unrealistic) scenario.

    FA receives human trafficking training. FA is tired, burned out. FA tends to take a zero-tolerance, more confrontational approach with passengers. FA thinks they see something. Other FAs circle wagons hard and fast. Personal moral compasses kick in (no one likes a child molester). FAs over-read and embellish in an effort to “get the bastard.”

    There has to be a way to better identify the bad players from everyone else. More context.

  5. It is important to drive home how incredibly rare actual trafficking occurs on airplanes. There’s less than 5 cases I can find in the past 10 years. On the other hand, as the article states, you can find dozens of cases of children being traumatized by well-meaning flight attendants.

  6. Lot of he said/she said here. None of us were on the plane. Father may have been innocently doing things that are part of the training flight attendants receive. And I will bet you it’s crappy online training with no ability to ask questions or ask for more input. Like the DEI crap put out on LI Learning.

    And maybe it was an over zealous FA albeit working for Frontier god knows what they see in any given month.

  7. I hope criminal charges are made on the cabin crew members who perpetuated this farce and further hope that they are found guilty. That plus a huge civil lawsuit against the airline for the airline’s part in creating this mistreatment with hopes that the airline is found liable. It is sad to see some posters defend large corporations and their out of control employees.

  8. @Thing 1 — Let them speak for themselves. @Walter Barry, @Andy S, @Not Scott, @Coolio, and the others… What’s your take on this multi-racial family, here? Perhaps, someone else will mention a prominent civil rights attorney… Heh, wasn’t Frontier the airline with the pilot wearing the red-hat…

  9. I don’t think there has been a proven human trafficking case reported by a flight attendant. ( gate agent once but the girls fessed up to involvement with a inappropriate dude prior to LE showing up.) It’s always good to keep your eyes open, but it ends with reporting, not vigilante actions.

  10. Whole thing is unacceptable. If a passenger that you suspect is engaged in Human Trafficking on an Aircraft then no action should be taken. It should be handled by the authorities on the ground. This is exactly why we have law enforcement.

    Its very much akin to Target or Walmart not engaging with criminals they call the cops to handle it.

  11. @1990. I’m in a multiracial marriage with two kids who are both in multiracial/ethnic marriages. I asked because you seemed to anticipate specific types of comments from some readers. I was genuinely wondering if you expected them to blame the dad and/or defend the FAs making things up. I was curious as to whether your prediction would prove accurate.

    Based on my original post, I think you can see my personal take on this incident.

  12. I find it unlikely that traffickers are paying for and using commercial domestic flights to move victims. FAs are not trained law enforcement nor social workers. A couple of hours of video training is not going to make them able to really recognize trafficking. What’s more typical in North America is that victims are hidden in vans, cars, trucks, etc. Possibly on buses. A flight requires providing government issued photo i.d., and those are hard to fake these days. Combined with TSA using facial recognition software to match your actual face to your i.d. Clearly the FAs don’t know any of this. My child is a different race than I am, with a different last name than mine. She’s traveled with both or one parent many times, and not once has anyone involved in air travel assumed they were trafficked. The one time it was called into question? A CBP checkpoint out in Arizona off I-8. They were sleeping in the back seat of the SUV. The officer asked who she was, looking suspicious, so we said “That’s our very unruly and ungrateful teenage kid, why?” We then had to wake her up, she confirmed her identity, and we rolled on.

    These FAs are under-trained for this stuff and have racist tendencies to boot.

  13. Retell this story with a conclusion that the kid was being trafficked, and the flight crew become heroes. And, that’s the problem. Poorly/minimally trained staff can easily get it in their mind that these actions are heroic while unfolding. It reminds me a lot of people “finding” all sorts of evil by inventing fake etymologyies of common phrases (e.g., rule of thumb is about spousal abuse).

  14. Why are some of you making this out as a leftist thing? See something say something is from the right! And the pedo witch hunt is likewise from the right. This is no surprise, the most aggressive hunters of a “sin” all too often turn out to be covering up the fact that the label fits them. (Quotes on “sin” because this includes things like homosexuality.) The left will bring down the hammer on those where there is actual evidence, they don’t go looking in every bush for them.

    If you see actual wrongs, by all means say something. But the average person is not going to be in a position to hunt for wrongs. The false positive rate is going to be approximately 100%. And if you stumble on something questionable at most report exactly what you saw, don’t elaborate. The gas company didn’t mind the day I called in because one day I found myself looking at an underground gas pipe that was neither underground nor in decent shape. (Actual problem: they failed to remove all the warning signs along an abandoned line.)

  15. @Loren — Mhm. “See something say something” isn’t partisan, necessarily, unless someone is using it purposely to attack others with false accusations. We got “See something say something” all over NYC, posters, announcements on the subway, via NYPD, etc. Likewise, pedophilia isn’t partisan; at best, it’s a disturbing mental disorder, and if acted upon, a very serious crime. Apparently, the super rich, regardless of affiliations, seem to think they can get away with it. Time to hold them all accountable, regardless of background or wealth. (And, good call, better safe than sorry on a possible gas leak.)

  16. @Thing 1 — But, I thought you were a Dr. Seuss character (white skin, blue hair, red jumpsuit.)

    In all seriousness, I wish everyone would just treat each other better than all this. I tend to think that the fish rots at the head, and we’ve elevated the worst examples to the ‘front page.’ Ideally, we learn from this chaotic era and correct course, soon. Still, even today, in most situations, most people are decent to one another. Many of us travel frequently and rarely do any of us actually experience firsthand any of the typical ‘rage-posts’ that Gary and other blogs seem to love to highlight.

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